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First off by calling me "slinky" I must know you in real life. Only my Cuckolds calls me that.
It is an absolute fact that Reps commit fraud more than Dems. In 1981 they cut a deal to get out trouble and agreed to never accuse the Dems of it again to keep themselves out of prison.
That is an Obamaesque argument and we know how much bullshit he slings. (get it, slings, slingblade?) How about showing us a link.
Whats with the name calling? Republicans get caught every election. Had you not called me a name I would have gave you a few links but since you chose to become a dick, find then yourself.
Here is your challenge; come up with six different links from six different states about elections in the last 12 years that show (the sources have to be reliable) that the GOP was responsible for voter fraud. I could find eight different states for democrats at least but you only need six. Show us.
Whats with the name calling? Republicans get caught every election. Had you not called me a name I would have gave you a few links but since you chose to become a dick, find then yourself.
You weren't going to answer, so drop the phony indignation. The fact is you are lying. Your using the excuse that I offended you to avoid being found out. It didn't work. Now either provide some proof (which you can't) or STFU.
You weren't going to answer, so drop the phony indignation. The fact is you are lying. Your using the excuse that I offended you to avoid being found out. It didn't work. Now either provide some proof (which you can't) or STFU.
The answer you seek could have been found in post #32 had you the ability to read. I will give you a hint. Google "Dickinson R. Debevoise RNC".
Here is your challenge; come up with six different links from six different states about elections in the last 12 years that show (the sources have to be reliable) that the GOP was responsible for voter fraud. I could find eight different states for democrats at least but you only need six. Show us.
You found them or IB did? HaHa!
Okay lets see here you need it to in six different states in just the last 12 years. Wonder why you chose those parameters.
What were you thinking? Did you not do any research before you asked such question of me?
I assume you will try to discredit a few for some reason but not to worry I have plenty of more sources. And don't try the I said "GOP" and the "GOP" did not specifically instruct them to do it and even if the "GOP" did you have no proof so it don't count bullshit.
What say you Google "The Chicago Machine" -- and read this from that *conservatard* publication Slate:
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Why Is Chicago So Corrupt?
Former Illinois Gov. George Ryan received a sentence of six and a half years in prison on Wednesday, after being convicted on charges of racketeering, mail fraud, filing false tax returns, and lying to investigators. The Chicago Sun-Times reports that in the last three decades, at least 79 local elected officials have been convicted of a crime, including three governors, one mayor, and a whopping 27 aldermen from the Windy City.
What makes Chicago so corrupt?
City government experts point to a political culture that's been in place for more than 100 years. This culture dates back to the late 19th century, when a gambling-house owner named Michael Cassius McDonald created the city's first political machine. Under machine-style rule, those in power would hand out contracts, jobs, and social services in exchange for political support.
Chicago's large immigrant population made it easier for political machines to grow in power. Poor ethnic communities could be played off against one another and manipulated with petty gifts. In exchange for political support, ethnicities would be given virtual fiefdoms within city government; the Irish, for example, were given police work, and the Italians jobs at the transit authority.
Of course, none of this was unique to Chicago. New York City had large immigrant populations and the notorious [Democrat] political machine at Tammany Hall...
... or for that epitome of American voter fraud, Google "Tammany Hall", slingblade:
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Nowhere did voter fraud have a more notorious record than in Tammany-era New York. [Democrat] Tammany Hall's ruthless efficiency in manufacturing votes—especially during the zenith of its power in the second half of the nineteenth century—is legendary. At the time, America didn't yet have privacy-protecting voting machines or official government ballots, so Tammany fixers could ensure that voters would cast ballots as promised. Vote riggers would simply give people pre-marked ballots and watch as they deposited them into the voting box.
Practical Tammany pols preferred to deal with "strikers"—wholesale operatives who would guarantee thick bundles of votes, for a price. One New York candidate who hadn't yet paid his strikers made the mistake of visiting the polls on Election Day. The angry operatives swiftly surrounded him, demanding their cash. Historian Mark Summers recounts that "the politician was nearly torn to pieces . . . and as he fled the pack cursed him for 'a mean cuss' and emptied out the ballot-boxes, tearing up every ticket bearing his name."
The immigrants flooding into New York were easy prey for the Tammany pols. Each state then set its own standards for naturalizing new citizens, and New York's were lax. In 1868, The Nation reported that Tammany Hall had set up a "naturalization mill," instantly certifying folks right off the boat as citizens—and Tammany voters. (In 1996, the Clinton administration similarly sped up the naturalization of up to 1 million new citizens so that they could vote in time for that year's election.)
Tammany was so efficient at election fixing that between 1868 and 1871, the votes cast in the city totaled 8 percent more than the entire voting population—"the dead filling in for the sick," as one contemporary wag put it. Historian Denis Tilden Lynch describes how thugs would go from one polling place to the next, impersonating citizens who hadn't yet voted. One such "repeater" posed as the dignified pastor of a Dutch Reformed church....
Voter fraud didn't vanish from American politics, of course—jokes still circulate about the late Chicago mayor Richard Daley's uncanny ability to get the dead to vote for him. But first prize for twentieth-century electoral corruption goes to Mayor Frank "I Am the Law" Hague (D), whose political machine controlled gritty Jersey City, New Jersey, across the Hudson River from New York, from 1917 to 1947. His desk had a special drawer that opened in the front, allowing visitors to deposit bribes that then disappeared inside the desk. On a yearly salary of $8,000, he amassed a fortune of at least $10 million... In 1908, he entered city employment as a janitor. Ten years later, he was mayor, and, through his control of the Hudson County vote, the leader of the state Democratic Party and the man who could dictate who would become governor or a judge. In 1939, so great was Hague's power that he could order his handpicked governor to appoint his son, Frank Hague Jr., to the state supreme court, even though the young man had never graduated from law school.
The Hague machine turned voter fraud into a science. On the Sunday before an election, the mayor would gather his ward heelers into a Jersey City arena (called the Grotto) and give his orders. "Three hundred and sixty-four days a year you come to me wanting favors. . . . Now, one day in the year I come to you...."
Yet if Hague's ghost, or Boss Tweed's, took a look at a recent newspaper, he'd smile in recognition. Wholesale vote fraud is on the rise again, almost all of it trying to elect Democratic candidates... Republican voters tend to be middle class and not easily tempted to commit fraud, while "the pool of people who appear to be available and more vulnerable to an invitation to participate in vote fraud tend to lean Democratic." Most incidents of wide-scale fraud, agrees Paul Harrison, director of the Center for American Politics at the University of Maryland, "reportedly occur in inner cities."
Get an education, slingblade. Read William L. Riordon's Plunkitt of Tammany Hall: A Series of Very Plain Talks on Very Practical Politics, 1905, and learn before you speak, slingblade.
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"As a matter of policy, if nothing else, why should the Tammany leaders go into such dirty business, when there is so much honest graft lyin' around when they are in power? Did you ever consider that? Now, in conclusion, I want to say that I don't own a dishonest dollar.
If my worst enemy was given the job of writin' my epitaph when I'm gone, he couldn't do more than write:
'George W. Plunkitt. He Seen His Opportunities, and He Took 'Em.'" George W. Plunkitt.
You need to read your source. It says the opposite of what you claim it said, SLIMEBORE! But I do apologize for saying you lied. You're just stupid. Sorry.
Hey slink, I read the entire blaze story. There is nothing in there about Republican voter fraud. Instead, it talks about a method used by Republicans to PREVENT fraud:
"In 1981, the RNC engaged in a process known as “Voter Caging,” which is dubiously legal and highly controversial, but still a method that some officials and partisans use to clean up voter rolls. The way voter caging works is that some entity (say, the RNC) will send mail to particular addresses throughout a state. If the mail is returned as “undeliverable,” the RNC (or whoever) would then challenge the person living at that address as an invalid voter, because their given address doesn’t actually work, and therefore is presumably not their legal address."
You obviously don't even understand what you read. I am scratching my head trying to figure out why "voting caging" is not allowed. How do you stop someone from using a fake address when they register to vote? What stops me from registering for each election using an address that will let me vote in whatever local elections I choose, whether I actually live there or not? Maybe there is a close race in the Congressional district next to mine. Using a fake address, I can switch my registration and vote there.
So what you just gave us is an example of Democrats blocking Republican efforts to clean up voter rolls and prevent fraud. In other words, you just proved that Democrats are aiding and abetting voter fraud, not Republicans. Is that what you and long-retired District Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise wanted to demonstrate?
2. http://www.politicususa.com/2014/06/...wisconsin.html Here you shot yourself in the foot. This is another lone wolf but this liberal rag does admit that there is a problem with absentee balloting. Of course, they take that tact that in one state the voter ID laws do nothing to address this. Other states do and now we know that liberals acknowledge voter fraud in the absentee ballots.
3. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/07/1229644/-Another-Republican-convicted-of-felony-voter-fraud# This is also a disreputable rag but the story has legs. Your mistake is thinking that the right is okay with voter fraud committed by members of the right. You're wrong! I think that anyone who commits voter fraud should go to prison or at least take away their right to vote. That was the gist of this article you know. That somehow the right was okay with this which is so far from the truth. It is also Massachusetts which is very liberal even for republicans.
4.(a) http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...f-voter-fraud/ I wish there was more information here. This is serious but I also read that the trial results could be overturned. Is there more to this story than you're telling us?
4.(b) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_P._White You're repeating yourself here. I notice in the Wikipedia reference that the state's republican office holders, including the governor, encouraged him to step down from office. Sounds like another lone wolf and it is. He was living in the wrong district in which he voted and then lied about it. Yep, just another lone wolf and no conspiracy.
5. http://www.examiner.com/article/the-...s-a-republican I remember this one but the headline is misleading. This was another lone wolf and someone with substance abuse problems. As far as being the only conviction for 2012, that is just in Las Vegas.
6. http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...ortant-warning A couple of things, this is an opinion piece and not a news story like I requested. This is not voter fraud despite the headline, this is voter suppression by fraud (which is in the content of the opinion piece). Of course I've read about people who disenfranchised themselves by not being able to read a calendar. There is also those push polls that I never liked. They're quasi-legal but I think unethical.
What were you thinking? Did you not do any research before you asked such question of me?
I assume you will try to discredit a few for some reason but not to worry I have plenty of more sources. And don't try the I said "GOP" and the "GOP" did not specifically instruct them to do it and even if the "GOP" did you have no proof so it don't count bullshit.
The red ones are blogs so they are not reliable (I like I said). Find the news source to back them up. Why so defensive? I picked 12 years because it is two presidential election cycles and six congressional election cycles. Why do you think there is something mysterious?
I will insist that you show that the party or candidate was involved and not some lone wolf.
All told I threw out three cases (and should have thrown out four) for not meeting the criteria of legitimate news source. Most were demonstratably "lone wolves" with no real connection to any party apparatus. Only two may have some standing as they were party officials. Though one is not really voter fraud but both were tried and convicted by GOP politicians.
Want to try again where they perpetrator got off because a GOP judge would not press charges or overturn an election? I can do that with the Clay County election of an ass named Rizzo a few years ago. He committed voter fraud (his family members admitted that he wanted them to help), he got caught and was indicted, his actions changed the outcome of the election which was won by a single vote, but the democratic judge refused to convict him or overturn the election. That judge later got a job with the family of Rizzo and got paid much more money than he made as a judge.
The red ones are blogs so they are not reliable (I like I said). Find the news source to back them up. Why so defensive? I picked 12 years because it is two presidential election cycles and six congressional election cycles. Why do you think there is something mysterious?
I will insist that you show that the party or candidate was involved and not some lone wolf.
I figured you would come up with some fine print excuse like that. I am not gonna bother with your reindeer game. I proved you wrong and you look like a even bigger idiot by trying to weasel out of it.
I assume you will try to discredit a few for some reason but not to worry I have plenty of more sources. And don't try the I said "GOP" and the "GOP" did not specifically instruct them to do it... bullshit.
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Originally Posted by slingblade
I figured you would come up with some fine print excuse like that. I am not gonna bother with your reindeer game. I proved you wrong and you look like a even bigger idiot by trying to weasel out of it.
Loser
Wow. Look at that. Slinky tries to win an argument by cutting and pasting the first dozen links that pop up when he googles "Republican voter fraud". He knows he doesn't really have much, so he warns in advance - don't call a lone wolf a lone wolf. Then when you actually take the time to read and refute his links, he still insists he won and calls you the loser!
Hey slink, I took the time to read some of your links too. Once again, they don't support your sweeping assertions. Republicans are not fools. They have zero tolerance of voter fraud within their own ranks because they know it undermines their broader goal of stopping such fraud. Dems have full tolerance of voter fraud because they know it helps them steal elections.
Why don't you read and respond to my posts #38 and #55? Are you afraid of having a real, fact-driven debate?
