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I agree with you 100% Its a shame. But the person who made the thread is to Blame, as He/She is a long time trolling member of this board. After all what kind of civilian woman asks that question? I guess the only way you can logically ask if a whore likes being called a whore, is to not be a "Whore" yourself. Because I have never called myself a whore, I call myself a "provider" "courtesan" "escort" "companion". But I guess some women go around patting themselves on the back saying "good whore" and if they do it explains a lot else.
The majority of women whom are members of this board know that they are above the derogatory statements that are constantly made against women and do not participate what-so-ever. (I must say Houston Board seems to be the main culprit for slanderous conversations more than any other sub-board)
Then there are the few intelligent women whom think they can handle the misogynists and moralists, but you will be out numbered EVERY time trust me.
Then there are the women who agree with the abuse, and encourage it.
Then there are all the people who think its funny.
So ultimately it will always be the few against the many, especially on the internet majority of people are going to agree with negativity before positivity. Its a battle that will never be won. Especially when the misogynists and moralists have 10 different handle they use to get their points across.
Ok, you're being silly, again. If you are going to take the time to follow me around insisting that I'm a troll, a man, a liar, another banned member...why not take the time to read the threads I've started to try to learn about my situation.
The reason the other "problem poster" backed off is because I sent real life verification to the moderators to prove exactly who I am...
I've always said I thought you were a beautiful, intelligent young lady who had the capability to be one of the top ladies here and everywhere, but for some pf your own comments on the board.
Your vendetta for me is just another example. Several people over here know me in real life and understand my reasons for being here.
So, I'm asking you nicely, please just stop it. And feel free to join the "Courtesan" thread.
Many MANY people are on to you Troll. .You have made it a point to harass various members of this board with your trollish trivial comments in the Dallas forums, where you come off as a "Know-it-all" and a cynical drone! you are not a provider or a hobbyist but a menace! You should have stayed in Houston Forum where you can troll all day and fit right in. Dallas is so onto you.
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It's Goin Down, I'm Yellin TIMBER!
"As long as prostitution is kept illegal, and women are persecuted for acts which harm no one, prostitute women will be subject to brutality at the hands of misogynists and moralists- they are, arguably, the same group. And when prostitutes are treated as second class citizens, and in extreme cases are less than human, then all women who dare to step out of their social constructs will be labeled as whores and treated accordingly. For these reasons, the rights of all women are contingent upon the rights accorded to the most vulnerable women." From Dr. Jocelyn Elders: March 1997 International and Prostitution Conference highlights. Dr. Elders also said: "We say that (hookers) are selling their bodies, but how different from athletes? They're selling their bodies. Models, they're selling their bodies. Actors? They're selling their bodies."
Olivia H, I think this may be a little bit of what you were trying to convey. Lux. Daphne, don't know what to say about your opinion on the matter but I do not agree with your sentiments on the matter. Not being rude, just my opinion.
The long and short of what I’m trying to say is women need to stop being complacent with and hand maidens of societal structures that denigrate, ostracize and apply negative social pressure on women. Until women stop sheltering under men for their financial and social resources they will continue competing – and fiercely I might add – with other women for said financial and social resources from men. We as women need to abandon that tired track that only leads to second place and earn the social and financial positions on their own. Then, and only then will this negative, downward pressure begin to wane.
Prostitution being legal or illegal is just a cog in the wheel though I agree it should be decriminalized. As an example when the West was being settled prostitution was policed, but not strictly speaking illegal. Prostitutes were the first women to populate the West. It wasn’t until the men that were settling the West brought their wives or marriage class women out with them that the pressure to run the prostitutes out began. The women didn’t want the prostitutes around and the women brought religious structure – male religious men – with them as they traveled West.
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And although she said it along time ago, Dr. Jocelyn Elders and Pastor Lia Claire Scholl who authored "I heart Sex Workers" are the astute women out there who are our voice of reason in an unreasonable, so called United States of America.
And this is the crux of the reason men don’t care for prostitutes. We are astute women. We were also the only women throughout antiquity that had their own purse unless a woman was extremely lucky enough to be a wealthy widow that somehow managed to hold on to her money.
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But do not most of us ignore misogynists and moralists that attempt to impose their beliefs on others?
Many can’t, and that’s just the long and short of it. Especially if said misogynist and / or moralist are part of the social fabric that still pays women seventy cents on the dollar that men make. Or those that strip widows of their social network and so-called friends because they had the bad taste to be married to a man that didn’t out live them.
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“The paramours of courtesans are well and satisfied, content.” Charles Baudelaire d1867, Laments of an Icarus, from his collection: Flowers of Evil.
I would tend to agree. It can also be said that it is nice to be nice to the nice.
The long and short of what I’m trying to say is women need to stop being complacent with and hand maidens of societal structures that denigrate, ostracize and apply negative social pressure on women. Until women stop sheltering under men for their financial and social resources they will continue competing – and fiercely I might add – with other women for said financial and social resources from men. We as women need to abandon that tired track that only leads to second place and earn the social and financial positions on their own. Then, and only then will this negative, downward pressure begin to wane.
Prostitution being legal or illegal is just a cog in the wheel though I agree it should be decriminalized. As an example when the West was being settled prostitution was policed, but not strictly speaking illegal. Prostitutes were the first women to populate the West. It wasn’t until the men that were settling the West brought their wives or marriage class women out with them that the pressure to run the prostitutes out began. The women didn’t want the prostitutes around and the women brought religious structure – male religious men – with them as they traveled West.
And this is the crux of the reason men don’t care for prostitutes. We are astute women. We were also the only women throughout antiquity that had their own purse unless a woman was extremely lucky enough to be a wealthy widow that somehow managed to hold on to her money.
Many can’t, and that’s just the long and short of it. Especially if said misogynist and / or moralist are part of the social fabric that still pays women seventy cents on the dollar that men make. Or those that strip widows of their social network and so-called friends because they had the bad taste to be married to a man that didn’t out live them.
I would tend to agree. It can also be said that it is nice to be nice to the nice.
Spoken like a True Woman whom cares about Other Women!!!
100% agree
Spoken like a True Woman whom cares about Other Women!!!
100% agree
Once you start doingmen work...you will be paid as men, like say combat Iin the next war. I never ever hear any of you feminist crying about male prostitutes making less than women. Until then you are just another self interest group looking to expand your power base by brain washing the less critical thinkers among us.
Once you start doingmen work...you will be paid as men, like say combat Iin the next war. I never ever hear any of you feminist crying about male prostitutes making less than women. Until then you are just another self interest group looking to expand your power base by brain washing the less critical thinkers among us.
Woman's work is much tougher than men's work. Always has been and Always will be. God was a Woman who created men to protect herself. Then Men went rouge and spread the word that they were god... when Brains always rules over Bronze.
HAHA my little theory.
Remember it is always hard work to reverse hundreds and in women's case thousands of years of oppression. Changing the thinking of those whom have been oppressed and changing the mindset of the Oppressors takes just as long to reverse as it took to instill.
Just look at how messed up black American people are, classic example. Going around calling ourselves the "N" word because we heard it so much now its become part of our identity and culture.
Perhaps women being comfortable with being called a whore is the same mindset. Of course not all of us are comfortable with it and refuse to use the terms. Others it is perfectly normal and "true".
Spoken like a True Woman whom cares about Other Women!!!
100% agree
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Once you start doingmen work...you will be paid as men,
We do the same work that men do. And, except for the very highest rungs on the economic ladder or professions with labor shortages, women are paid seventy cents on the dollar.
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like say combat Iin the next war.
Women are in combat now. Though I don’t agree with that. I do not believe women should be in combat zones. It creates too much problem for far too little gain. We cannot compete with male physical strength. And for the life of me I don’t know why women try. Y’all can’t have babies, and we cannot, without an equalizer, defended the home or open pickle jars.
I think women should be allowed in any other career that men have other than actual combat. However, I do not think the physical requirements should be dumbed down for women. We should have to dead lift just as much weight as a male firefighter. It’s financially and professionally unfair to men and it puts lives at risk to have a responder that has serious physical deficits.
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I never ever hear any of you feminist crying about male prostitutes making less than women. Until then you are just another self interest group looking to expand your power base by brain washing the less critical thinkers among us.
No one wants to pay men to have sex with them because we don't need to, though I’m sure it’s not for lack of trying. However, I have no problems with men getting paid as much as I was.
No one wants to pay men to have sex with them because we don't need to, though I’m sure it’s not for lack of trying. However, I have no problems with men getting paid as much as I was.
Yes there is a huge supply of men that will have sex with women for free. Free market at work....just like the free market is at work with women's pay. There are more women that will do the job for less. You feminist are not very realistic in cause and effect. Nobody is trying to keep a woman down....The market determines monetary worth.
Remember it is always hard work to reverse hundreds and in women's case thousands of years of oppression. Changing the thinking of those whom have been oppressed and changing the mindset of the Oppressors takes just as long to reverse as it took to instill.
Missed this when I posted. Absolutely true. And I might add that the oppressors aren't all the willing to let go of the reins.
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Yes there is a huge supply of men that will have sex with women for free. Free market at work....just like the free market is at work with women's pay.
In your world maybe.
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There are more women that will do the job for less. You feminist are not very realistic in cause and effect. Nobody is trying to keep a woman down....The market determines monetary worth.
And you male chauvinists aren't realistic if you think it will go on forever like it has. It will change. Maybe not in my lifetime, but it will. It's not lost on me why you've kept this topic going. One, and I thank you, but it's not necessary for you to make everything about me. But more importantly, you try to keep the population you want to control fighting so you are in charge of the chaos. Personally, I'm not interested in controlling people in general let alone that way. Too much static and effort.
Yes there is a huge supply of men that will have sex with women for free. .
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In your world maybe. [SIZE=3]
Yes that would be called the real world.
Olivia....there is a huge amount of men that will have sex with women for free. They call it NSA sex. That is why the male escorts get paid less than female escorts. Simple supply and demand. WTF are you trying to argue? That it is harder for a most women to get laid for free than men? What world are you in?
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And you male chauvinists aren't realistic if you think it will go on forever like it has. It will change. Maybe not in my lifetime, but it will. .[SIZE=3]
Yea right after ET comes visits again.....
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It's not lost on me why you've kept this topic going. One, and I thank you, but it's not necessary for you to make everything about me. .
Nothing is about you yet your narcissistic personality thinks everything is.
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But more importantly, you try to keep the population you want to control fighting so you are in charge of the chaos. Personally, I'm not interested in controlling people in general let alone that way. Too much static and effort.
I would have said the same thing had we been discussing the price of houses....it is determined by supply and demand. All this double speak makes no sense except in your head. Even if I wanted to control say how much women get paid....I'm not ignorant enough to think I can. It is impossible. It is something you feminist have made up in your pretty little heads. Men have no more control of women's pay than I control the cost of home prices in the United States.
But do not most of us ignore misogynists and moralists that attempt to impose their beliefs on others?
Just a thought, .
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Many can’t, and that’s just the long and short of it. Especially if said misogynist and / or moralist are part of the social fabric that still pays women seventy cents on the dollar that men make. Or those that strip widows of their social network and so-called friends because they had the bad taste to be married to a man that didn’t out live them.
What you failed to understand was that he compared you to ''misogynists and moralists that attempt to impose their beliefs on others?'' and that the rest of us should just ignore you. He has a very good point.
Nothing is about you yet your narcissistic personality thinks everything is.
No, you're back to following me around. It's cool. I'm not interested, but whatever.
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I would have said the same thing had we been discussing the price of houses....it is determined by supply and demand. All this double speak makes no sense except in your head.
Actually no. Of all the male escort ads I've seen they are all buff and hot. Those hot guys aren't going to have sex with women that aren't as hot as they are in general. And they certainly aren't going to have sex with some fifty-something, over weight, over worked lawyer type woman that busts balls for a living. Get real! Hot people have sex with other hot people unless we are talking about mates. Then women will change the physical requirements, but men don't. That's just the way the world is.
I don't really know why hot men don't make it as escorts. Women just don't feel a need or want to pay for sex even with a hottie. My Sancho was BEAUTIFUL - I mean Paul Walker smokin' hot except with grey eyes, but I'd never have paid him a dime to have sex with me. That's just the way it is.
It's not that I couldn't attract another man of his physical caliber. Because I could. It's not that I couldn't get laid anytime I wanted. Because I can. It's just that the dynamics are different than simple supply and demand. It's because I'd never pay for sex. Most women just aren't wired that way. Men are because at the root of it all, they pay for every lay they've ever had whether it's a cheap as a drink or fielding calls from some chick he had a one night stand with or as expensive as marrying a woman that is going to make less than him and supporting, raising and sheltering their subsequent children. You're trying to put too neat a bow on a complicated interaction that's developed over tens of thousands of years.
Actually no. Of all the male escort ads I've seen they are all buff and hot. Those hot guys aren't going to have sex with women that aren't as hot as they are in general. WTF are you talking about? Do you think all these young hot attractive female escorts aren't having sex with middle age men that are not as attractive as they are? And they certainly aren't going to have sex with some fifty-something, over weight, over worked lawyer type woman that busts balls for a living. They will for money! God Damn, that is why there are escorts. Just like the hot female escorts do. Get real! Hot people have sex with other hot people unless we are talking about mates. Not when it come to the escort world. This is a business for them, just like it is for the ladies. What world are you living in? Then women will change the physical requirements, but men don't. That's just the way the world is.
I don't really know why hot men don't make it as escorts. I do because women even older women can find someone to fuck them for free. Older men can not find young women that will just fuck them for free. This is basic human behavior 101. Women just don't feel a need or want to pay for sex even with a hottie. That is because they do not have to. Men will fuck them for FREE. My Sancho was BEAUTIFUL - I mean Paul Walker smokin' hot except with grey eyes, but I'd never have paid him a dime to have sex with me. That's just the way it is. That is exactly my point...men will fuck older women for free...therefore the male escort makes less money Simple Supply and Demand. .
It's not that I couldn't attract another man of his physical caliber. Because I could. It's not that I couldn't get laid anytime I wanted. Because I can. Yes again you make my point...guys will fuck anything, especially if it is free. Therefore guys trying to charge for pussy make less than their counterparts. It's just that the dynamics are different than simple supply and demand. No it actually is not. It's because I'd never pay for sex. You would if nobody would fuck you for free. If you wanted a kid.... Most women just aren't wired that way. Men are because at the root of it all, they pay for every lay they've ever had whether it's a cheap as a drink or fielding calls from some chick he had a one night stand with or as expensive as marrying a woman that is going to make less than him and supporting, raising and sheltering their subsequent children. You're trying to put too neat a bow on a complicated interaction that's developed over tens of thousands of years.
It is a very neat bow over exactly wtf I said. Which basically is that you feminist want equal pay for women and will just make excuses in fields where women actually make more , like escorting! It is all about supply and demand. Not men trying to keep your ass down.
Actually no. Of all the male escort ads I've seen they are all buff and hot. Those hot guys aren't going to have sex with women that aren't as hot as they are in general. WTF are you talking about? Do you think all these young hot attractive female escorts aren't having sex with middle age men that are not as attractive as they are? I said hot GUYS.
And they certainly aren't going to have sex with some fifty-something, over weight, over worked lawyer type woman that busts balls for a living. They will for money! God Damn, that is why there are escorts.Just like the hot female escorts do. Yes, that’s EXACTLY what I’m saying. I said hot guys aren’t going to have sex with ball busting, pudgy, aging, women UNLESS THEY ARE PAID. And I'm also saying women aren’t willing to pay even for a hottie.
Hot people have sex with other hot people unless we are talking about mates. Not when it come to the escort world. This is a business for them, just like it is for the ladies. What world are you living in? Then women will change the physical requirements, but men don't. That's just the way the world is. Read what I said will you. I was referring to real world situations not P4P. In the real world, hot people have sex with other hot people unless said hot woman is looking for a mate then she will bend the rules. THAT’S WORD FOR FUCKING WORD WHAT I SAID.
I don't really know why hot men don't make it as escorts. I do because women even older women can find someone to fuck them for free. Older men can not find young women that will just fuck them for free. This is basic human behavior 101. Women just don't feel a need or want to pay for sex even with a hottie. Older women can find A man to fuck them, but they can’t find a hottie ten to twenty years younger than they are to fuck them. Further, as appealing as young hot men are to look at, less attractive women as a rule don’t want to fuck some guy out of their league. Men do. And women for God damned sure don’t want to pay. Men do. It’s not wrong, it’s just the way it is.
That is because they do not have to. Men will fuck them for FREE. No, some hot as shit guy isn’t going to fuck an ugly chick or the aforementioned lawyer type at all. Period. He’ll hunt again and he knows it.
My Sancho was BEAUTIFUL - I mean Paul Walker smokin' hot except with grey eyes, but I'd never have paid him a dime to have sex with me. That's just the way it is. That is exactly my point...men will fuck older women for free...therefore the male escort makes less money Simple Supply and Demand. . I wasn’t older! I was young once you know LOL. People used to ask us if we were famous. No self-respecting super-hot guy is going to carry on a love affair with some women that is rung after rung below his physical beauty. Ever!
It's not that I couldn't attract another man of his physical caliber. Because I could. It's not that I couldn't get laid anytime I wanted. Because I can. Yes again you make my point...guys will fuck anything, especially if it is free. Therefore guys trying to charge for pussy make less than their counterparts. Pick any hot guy on here. You aren’t hot, but you’re not bad looking. You aren’t going to fuck the lawyer-type I described. You just aren’t. No offence, you aren’t hot enough to pay in any event, but even the super-hot guys here aren't going to get paid. DeD’s fucking beautiful, I wouldn’t pay him on a bet to fuck him. Ever. JaD, same thing. (Sorry guys, y’all are just two of the well-known hotties in Houston.) I’d think about the hot mother fucker that plays Eric Northman on True Blood, but still………………No!
It's just that the dynamics are different than simple supply and demand. No it actually is not. It's because I'd never pay for sex. You would if nobody would fuck you for free. If you wanted a kid.... No, there is a reason the Omega in a wolf pack is a male. There is literally always a man for every woman sexually; she just has to be willing to settle. Men, not the same way unless they are offering a wedding ring, but again, if he’s the bottom of the pack he has to be willing to settle. That’s just the way it is.
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It is a very neat bow over exactly wtf I said. Which basically is that you feminist want equal pay for women and will just make excuses in fields where women actually make more , like escorting! It is all about supply and demand. Not men trying to keep your ass down.
I've actually never said this. I do not think that men in any way shape or form go out to pay women less. I think SOME men go out of their way not to promote them, but as a rule that is becoming less and less prominent.
It's a many pronged problem, but three of the main ones are: It's cultural to pay women less; and women, especially women with children, statistically are more likely to be in poverty and therefore more likely to take the pay or not report the abuses; and until recently, women were less educated. But you can in your simple way boil it down to supply and demand, but even you know that's not the way of it.
Older women can find A man to fuck them, but they can’t find a hottie ten to twenty years younger than they are to fuck them. Yes they can...for a price. Further, as appealing as young hot men are to look at, less attractive women as a rule don’t want to fuck some guy out of their league. Men do. And women for God damned sure don’t want to pay. Men do.
You just described Supply and Demand and why there is a huge difference in pay between male and female escorts. Jesus don't you even understand the position you have staked. More men will fuck women for free. Fewer women will fuck men for free. There you have it. Men get paid less because of this simple fact.
