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Old 07-29-2011, 10:09 PM   #16
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Interesting thread, folks. I think Dallas and the other ladies make a very valid point. Rates are arbitrarily set by providers. I mean, there are good looking, experienced, GFE gals, like Dallas, that have a pretty reasonable rate. There are also some pretty fugly backpage girls that charge $200 an hour.

It really depends upon the financial needs of the woman at a particular point in time.

However, if the hobby were ever legalized, it would be a different story. Rates would decline, and quality would increase (for the clients). So providers, get on your hands and knees and pray the hobby we all love never becomes legalized!!!!
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:52 PM   #17
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Interesting thread, folks. I think Dallas and the other ladies make a very valid point. Rates are arbitrarily set by providers. I mean, there are good looking, experienced, GFE gals, like Dallas, that have a pretty reasonable rate. There are also some pretty fugly backpage girls that charge $200 an hour.

It really depends upon the financial needs of the woman at a particular point in time.

However, if the hobby were ever legalized, it would be a different story. Rates would decline, and quality would increase (for the clients). So providers, get on your hands and knees and pray the hobby we all love never becomes legalized!!!!

Now wouldn't be something!
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:06 PM   #18
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One more quick point. Providers have to market their services like any other business. So some girls may charge more if they are after a certain market. Take girls on EROS. A lot of those girls are fishing for executives, doctors, lawyers, and let's face it-politicians!!

They feel that those men can afford a higher rate. However, there are some girls on the street that will take a meal or 5 bucks for a BBBJCIM. They have to settle because they are on the streets and are catering to working class men.

So, SL you are right in a sense. A hot dog or a lobster will fill your stomach. However, some ladies feel they provide "lobster-level" service to "lobster-craving" gentlemen and, well, you catch my drift.

However, I noticed the majority of the ladies that charge more all seem to be in school. Where are they going? Harvard? More likely ITT Tech!!

Ouch, I'm such a bad boy!!
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:16 PM   #19
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One more quick point. Providers have to market their services like any other business. So some girls may charge more if they are after a certain market. Take girls on EROS. A lot of those girls are fishing for executives, doctors, lawyers, and let's face it-politicians!!

They feel that those men can afford a higher rate. However, there are some girls on the street that will take a meal or 5 bucks for a BBBJCIM. They have to settle because they are on the streets and are catering to working class men.

So, SL you are right in a sense. A hot dog or a lobster will fill your stomach. However, some ladies feel they provide "lobster-level" service to "lobster-craving" gentlemen and, well, you catch my drift.

However, I noticed the majority of the ladies that charge more all seem to be in school. Where are they going? Harvard? More likely ITT Tech!!

Ouch, I'm such a bad boy!!
School perhaps! But they all carry a Louis Vuitton bags with the initals GPS!
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:30 PM   #20
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I think they are trying to weed thru all of the calls asking for coupons...GENTLEMEN WE DO NOT CARRY COUPONS!!!!!! A donation is a donation, not please can i go for 150. Also if a lady has been kind enough to leave her donation at the "norm" please respect her for that and pay it and have fun...but to get back to your question i feel its to weed out barterers and not so serious clients.
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:37 PM   #21
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Good point Sarah, I guess they feel if your going to contact them at a lot higher rate your not going to be insulting them or whining over a few bucks. If ya cant afford it , move on to someone else , there's someone for everyone
Luckily I have only had it happen once in the past year.
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:46 PM   #22
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Good point Sarah, I guess they feel if your going to contact them at a lot higher rate your not going to be insulting them or whining over a few bucks. If ya cant afford it , move on to someone else , there's someone for everyone
Luckily I have only had it happen once in the past year.

Easy for you to say! $$ per hour for a veteran pro as sweet as apple pie!? That’s like giving out free apple pies at Mickey D's when ordering a cheese burger! Ya just can’t beat it! Well you can, but why would you want to when they could have you!

PS: I miss the RED DRESS! But I like the new avatar!
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:47 PM   #23
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I don't think that's the case, ladies. Like I said, I feel some providers just pick a number. It is definitely tied to certain things like experience, looks, years in the business, etc.

While I disagree with guys catching girls off guard by low balling, I do think some providers should seriously reconsider their rates.

Again, if the hobby were legalized, all of the rates would come down. It's Economics 101!
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:48 PM   #24
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I don't think that's the case, ladies. Like I said, I feel some providers just pick a number. It is definitely tied to certain things like experience, looks, years in the business, etc.

While I disagree with guys catching girls off guard by low balling, I do think some providers should seriously reconsider their rates.

Again, if the hobby were legalized, all of the rates would come down. It's Economics 101!
101 is a great rate!
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:49 PM   #25
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If the hobby were legalized, I don't see that as making the rates go down and quality up. If more women are flooding the market, that doesn't necessarily mean they'll all be attractive, or good at anything. There will just be more.
I do think it would make this game of ours much safer.
But with the addition of taxes (and probably a luxury tax as well), city / state registration fees, any form of government background check they might want to do, etc... I doubt the rates would go down. Feds are trying to tax every little thing they can to get out of the red.

I don't look at another lady's rates and wonder what she does differently. I'm confident enough in my skills (and the fact that I have regulars and people who remember me from 3 years ago in Houston) are enough to tell me I'm not half bad

What I think when I see higher rates is that this lady doesn't see as many people per day. She probably has a full time job, so her time is limited. Or she has all of the business she wants, and raised her rates to slow the flow of new interest.
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:54 PM   #26
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Well, actually Robin, the rates would go down. The fees would be one time costs and passed along to the consumers. But, I doubt they would be a big deal.

With respect to tax, the client pays, not the business. The business merely collects it, then turns it over to the state. Duh!!!!

Read about market theory. Imagine if there were 10 cute redheads like you all competing in the same market for the same clientele (redhead lovers). You would definitely have to lower your price.

Thanks the lord the hobby is illegal. By the way, my argument is theoretical. It doesn't necessarily hold true in the real world. However, theories generally provide good explanations for how the real world works.
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Old 07-30-2011, 12:02 AM   #27
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If the hobby were legalized, I don't see that as making the rates go down and quality up. If more women are flooding the market, that doesn't necessarily mean they'll all be attractive, or good at anything. There will just be more.
I do think it would make this game of ours much safer.
But with the addition of taxes (and probably a luxury tax as well), city / state registration fees, any form of government background check they might want to do, etc... I doubt the rates would go down. Feds are trying to tax every little thing they can to get out of the red.

I don't look at another lady's rates and wonder what she does differently. I'm confident enough in my skills (and the fact that I have regulars and people who remember me from 3 years ago in Houston) are enough to tell me I'm not half bad

What I think when I see higher rates is that this lady doesn't see as many people per day. She probably has a full time job, so her time is limited. Or she has all of the business she wants, and raised her rates to slow the flow of new interest.
I think it is great you have regulars all over, Robin. However, you have to ask yourself why they are regulars. I'm sure it has a great deal to do with your talent and looks. However, the hobby is illegal. Therefore, many men tend to make very careful, calculated moves.

That being said, several of my friends in the hobby tend to stick with a few girls they know well. The reason for this is that every potential new girl they meet might very well be an LE trap. These men have families and jobs. Therefore, they can't afford to stick their necks out. Hence, we have the "regular" phenomenon in the hobby.

However, if the red tape were removed and things we legal, providers would find themselves pressed. This is because their actions, and the actions of their clients, would no longer be illegal. So, a client could then monger for all the strange he wants without fear of LE consequences.

Also, many woman who were considering becoming providers would, in turn, become providers. After all, the fear of being busted would no longer exist.

In short, increasing the supply of a good, when all other variables are held constant, generally decreases the price and increases the quality of the good.

I admire your spunk, but you can't fight the economic theories that help explain the business universe.
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Old 07-30-2011, 12:27 AM   #28
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Please stop PMing me. I don't want to hear it.

We disagree. You are not going to change my mind.

If you contact me again, I'll ask the mods to step in.
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Old 07-30-2011, 12:40 AM   #29
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You don't frighten me. We are allowed to freely express our opinions on this site. If you don't like my counterpoints, tough. Tell the mods whatever you want. I've done nothing but express my opinion. I didn't threaten to contact the mods when you expressed your opinion.

You're pretty temperamental for such a young woman. I know it reads "smartass" under your occupation, but remember, "you catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar".
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Old 07-30-2011, 12:46 AM   #30
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Lets keep this thread on track please.
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