a Setup. complete with surveillance

[bill sins]

So this ad of a tgtbt girl was posted by LE to lure a john to her incall. Then after your radar went off you were followed as you drove away.

[jonas1_2]

Originally Posted by Dallasdarch

has visible surveillance upon approaching

What does "visible surveillance" mean?

Originally Posted by Dallasdarch

had my speed radar detector buzzing @ site

... Because LE stings care about how fast you were going in the parking lot??? Any number of things could have set off a false positive.

Originally Posted by Dallasdarch

Agreed to meet, arrived on time, followed all instructions and then they stopped responding upon confirmation of arrival.

And legit providers never do this. Right???

Originally Posted by Dallasdarch

Was followed by unmarked vehicle and was able to evade location due to sheer luck

In other words, some random person minding his own business happened to be going the same direction as you, and he continued onto his own business after you made a turn.

I highly doubt this was an LE sting. You never even got out of the car. If they were going to arrest you, they would've put on their lights and pulled you over. They gain nothing by merely following you.

[pmdelites]

Originally Posted by CT$odGwn

I wish this post is duplicated to every other Dallas section so that more people can see it.

just copy and paste it elsewhere.
or post a link to this thread wherever you think people might see it.

[Silver Bullet]

Originally Posted by jonas1_2

I highly doubt this was an LE sting. You never even got out of the car. If they were going to arrest you, they would've put on their lights and pulled you over. They gain nothing by merely following you.

Could be over active spidey senses or a good catch. He may have already done enough to get arrested if the text messages mentioned activities and price. Sometimes they ask what you’re driving or for a picture which you should never reveal. That would give them probable cause to stop/detain you without even going to the unit. Even a text like “pulling in now” is enough for them to zero in. Once you’re pulled over, the LE doing the texting would call your phone to see if your phone rings with the caller ID. Without a vehicle description or picture ID, they may have followed for a bit just to see if you gave them a reason to pull you over. Then same Text/call scenario to see if your phone rings/lights up to indicate you were the one that committed the felony of solicitation.
These stings aren’t just a couple cops in a room. They’re in the lobby, parking lot, in unmarked cars a half block away, all communicating with each other.
Stay safe.

[oldbutstillgoing]

A text will not be enough to arrest you. It might be used in the case as extras evidence, but PD is NOT going to stop you, follow you around, or arrest you simply because of a text. If you showed up at the door but never gave money, they might try to bully you into a confession but they cannot arrest you just based on that.

They have to have a warrant to search your phone unless one of the following applies:

(d) Notwithstanding any other law, a peace officer may search a cellular telephone or other wireless communications device without a warrant if:
(1) the owner or possessor of the telephone or device consents to the search;
(2) the telephone or device is reported stolen by the owner or possessor; or
(3) the officer reasonably believes that:
(A) the telephone or device is in the possession of a fugitive from justice for whom an arrest warrant has been issued for committing a felony offense; or
(B) there exists an immediate life-threatening situation, as defined by Article 18A.201.

None of those apply to a prostitution arrest.

[jonas1_2]

Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

Sometimes they ask what you’re driving or for a picture which you should never reveal. That would give them probable cause to stop/detain you without even going to the unit. ...

This entire comment sounds like speculation and urban myth to me. I don't think any of this is based on actual encounters with LE. This is how misinformation spreads (like the belief that LE must identify themselves).

Originally Posted by oldbutstillgoing

If you showed up at the door but never gave money, they might try to bully you into a confession but they cannot arrest you just based on that.

That's not true. Here's an article of a guy who was arrested for showing up and knocking. Texts and showing up to the meet is enough to arrest.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...-records-show/

Originally Posted by oldbutstillgoing

They have to have a warrant to search your phone

Why would they need to search the John's phone? If he was texting with LE, they already have the texts.

[TexomaCowboy]

Gotta concur with Jonas.

The "new" Texas law (effective 9/21) that make Solicitation a Felony, rather than a Misdemeanor, relates to...(wait for it)..."Solicitaion".

"A person commits a solicitation of prostitution offense if they knowingly offer or agree to pay a fee to another person for the purpose of engaging in sexual conduct with that person or another."

Money does NOT have to be exchanged. Sex does not have to be provided. Only the discussion to receive sex in exchange for money is required. All of the big busts of Johns in Frisco & Southlake hotels did not involve exchanges of money & sex. It involved guys arriving after having discussed "sex for money."
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/yo...sting/3176401/

Whether it's an ad, a SW, an Indie, an Amp, or a Studio, NEVER send messages asking both about Services and Rates. Otherwise, it's the Discussion that puts you at risk.

[Silver Bullet]

Originally Posted by jonas1_2

This entire comment sounds like speculation and urban myth to me. I don't think any of this is based on actual encounters with LE. This is how misinformation spreads (like the belief that LE must identify themselves).

That's not true. Here's an article of a guy who was arrested for showing up and knocking. Texts and showing up to the meet is enough to arrest.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...-records-show/



Why would they need to search the John's phone? If he was texting with LE, they already have the texts.

Jonas, it is not speculation. That exact same scenario happened to a good friend (I bailed him out) in one of the 2022 stings. He circled the hotel is his car, spidey senses kicked in and he started to drive away. Stopped him 200 yards out of the parking lot. They texted his phone not to see the texts…. They already had those. The text was to confirm that WAS the phone and it was in his possession.He had sent a pic of himself “to screen”.

You’re both right. Communicating an agreement to sex for money is the crime. When it’s face to face, it’s the officers testimony but they also get anything they can to support that testimony like video or sound recordings. When it’s done via text, they need to link you to the phone that the texts came from.

[oldbutstillgoing]

Originally Posted by jonas1_2

This entire comment sounds like speculation and urban myth to me. I don't think any of this is based on actual encounters with LE. This is how misinformation spreads (like the belief that LE must identify themselves).



That's not true. Here's an article of a guy who was arrested for showing up and knocking. Texts and showing up to the meet is enough to arrest.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...-records-show/



Why would they need to search the John's phone? If he was texting with LE, they already have the texts.

I stand corrected. In some circumstances, texting can be enough for reasonable suspicion to arrest you. I think the key being you discussed services and price over the texts. And they were able to confirm it was your phone in your possession. Weather it's enough for a convection, I have no idea.

[Silver Bullet]

A lot of people have been arrested in the last 24 months or so. Anybody have anny idea how many had charges dropped, got deferred adj., pleaded to some charge OR most interestingly, if anyone has taken it to trial.