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Originally Posted by Michael8219
Multiple degrees. Theses. TMC. Sure I’m going to provide you with multiple papers, degrees, universities here and abroad to out myself in this venue.
Simple flawed NIH study conclusion to exemplify how biased the government and certain medical research and industry is.
Here is another link which more succinctly describes my viewpoint:
http://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-vacc...051100916.html
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Originally Posted by Tiny
I read the paper in question, and the researchers on the other hand are biased IMHO. They quote an infection fatality ratio (IFR) published by Ioannidis from October 2020, being 0.23%, as gospel. While the IFR now is a lot lower than 0.23%, at the time it was a lot higher than Ioannidis' estimate. I believe esteemed contributor Waco Kid was using 0.5% at the time, while Adav8s28 and Bill Gates were around 1.0% to 1.2%. The real number in the USA in 2020 was probably in that range. The writers also dwell on the IFR of people under 70 (.05%) while ignoring double digit IFR's for the aged. They also place way too much emphasis on vaccines as a possible reason for the excess deaths not accounted for by COVID infections without much more than anecdotal evidence. Others like Paglino et al blame factors like "health care interruptions, socioeconomic disruptions", and most importantly, undercounting COVID deaths. The researchers don't even look at the number of deaths attributable to COVID, the disease, in their analysis.
I think I can debunk their work. Will be back after I've looked at some of their data.
Here’s the paper in question:
https://bmjpublichealth.bmj.com/cont...00282.full.pdf
Paglino et al:
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2313661121
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I did go back and pull the data from Our World in Data that the researchers used for Michael's BMJ paper, which was summarized in the Independent. It's here,
https://covid.ourworldindata.org/dat...ovid-data.xlsx
As noted above, it was curious that the writers ignored the number of deaths attributed to COVID, the disease, in their analysis.
The crux of the BMJ study is that excess mortality, from all causes including COVID, in 47 western countries was as follows,
2020 1,033,122 excess deaths
2021 1,256,942 excess deaths
2022 808,392 excess deaths
The writers believe that COVID vaccines may have been one of the chief reasons for the excess deaths.
I was too lazy to sum COVID deaths and Excess deaths from 47 countries, but did it for the USA, and here are the results,
COVID deaths in USA:
2020 342,920
2021 469,667
2022 267,389
Total excess deaths in USA, including COVID:
2020 454,610
2021 508,690
2022 278,850
Here are COVID deaths as a % of total excess deaths in USA:
2020 75%
2021 92%
2022 96%
In 2021 and 2022, 92% and 96% respectively of the excess deaths are accounted for by COVID, the disease.
In 2020, the ratio was 75%, which is pretty significant. There were a lot more excess deaths than COVID deaths in 2020. But the vaccine sure as hell wasn't the culprit in 2020, because there was no vaccine.
The differences in 2021 and 2022 between total excess deaths and COVID deaths, when we did have the vaccine, were small.
Anyway you slice it or dice it, in the USA at least, I don't see how you can attribute many excess deaths to the vaccines.