Flooding disaster in Texas

[Charley3]

Terrible tragedy! Probably over 100 deaths before they are done searching. Bodies not even found yet and already the political blame game.
I suppose I get it to a degree…but I remember when tragedies use to bring us together instead of adding to the divisiveness.
Having said that there are some jobs that will be lost here, but let’s find some alive miracles first.

[tommy156]

reporter:“do you think the federal government needs to hire back any of the meteorologists who were fired?”

trump:“I wouldn’t know that. I would think not. this was a thing that happened in seconds. no one expected it. nobody saw it. very talented people are there, they didn’t see it. it’s I guess they said once in a hundred years, you’ve never seen anything like this.”

https://youtu.be/AM2Angq_Xg4?si=AX9OxIZG4WnExosS

What a fucking douchebag. Nothing is ever his fault, even though the firing of meteorologists and gutting of the National Weather Service was 100% his fault. The blood of all those poor kids and families is on trump's hands. Fucking incompetent traitor.

[HDGristle]

There will be time to cast stones. Should be after a completed investigation and based on evidence rather than innuendo and speculation.

For now, focus should be on those missing, those dead and their families. On the folks hard at work searching.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

There will be time to cast stones. Should be after a completed investigation and based on evidence rather than innuendo and speculation.

For now, focus should be on those missing, those dead and their families. On the folks hard at work searching.

I respect your take, but we already know that trump (via DOGE) gutted the National Weather Service. If it had been fully staffed, as it should have been, warnings would have been issued hours earlier and some (if not most) of those folks would still be alive. Don't need a completed investigation to arrive at that conclusion. At least some of this blood is definitely on trump's hands.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by tommy156

I respect your take, but we already know that trump (via DOGE) gutted the National Weather Service. If it had been fully staffed, as it should have been, warnings would have been issued hours earlier and some (if not most) of those folks would still be alive. Don't need a completed investigation to arrive at that conclusion. At least some of this blood is definitely on trump's hands.

there's no blood on Trump's hands. NONE.



https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updat.../?id=123488468


Key Headlines

• 44 minutes ago
  Flash flood warnings issued night before, NWS had 'surge staffing'
• 1 hour and 13 minutes ago
  How you can help
• 1 hour and 25 minutes ago
  At least 90 dead in Texas
• 3 hours and 56 minutes ago

Flash flood warnings issued night before, NWS had 'surge staffing'

Questions have swirled around if there was enough warning and enough staffing for the early Friday morning floods in the wake of the Trump administration's job cuts to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.


But NOAA confirmed that the National Weather Service's Austin/San Antonio office had five meteorologists working the severe weather event as part of its "surge staffing" protocol. It is normally staffed with two.


NOAA also said the NWS had forecast briefings Thursday morning, issued a flood watch Thursday afternoon and then issued flash flood warnings on Thursday night and early Friday. This gave "preliminary lead times of more than three hours before flash flooding conditions occurred," NOAA said in a statement.




possible heavy rain and flooding was forecast. these campers accepted the risk.

[Charley3]

Originally Posted by tommy156

I respect your take, but we already know that trump (via DOGE) gutted the National Weather Service. If it had been fully staffed, as it should have been, warnings would have been issued hours earlier and some (if not most) of those folks would still be alive. Don't need a completed investigation to arrive at that conclusion. At least some of this blood is definitely on trump's hands.

Local authorities knew what was going on. Why they didn’t clear out the stream side camp grounds will be a focus. Thats where most of the deaths happened. You can have all kinds of people and procedures but if local authorities don’t do their job people will die regardless.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by tommy156

reporter:“do you think the federal government needs to hire back any of the meteorologists who were fired?”

trump:“I wouldn’t know that. I would think not. this was a thing that happened in seconds. no one expected it. nobody saw it. very talented people are there, they didn’t see it. it’s I guess they said once in a hundred years, you’ve never seen anything like this.”

https://youtu.be/AM2Angq_Xg4?si=AX9OxIZG4WnExosS

What a fucking douchebag. Nothing is ever his fault, even though the firing of meteorologists and gutting of the National Weather Service was 100% his fault. The blood of all those poor kids and families is on trump's hands. Fucking incompetent traitor.

Trump isn't the problem, people like you are.

You really believe one man is responsible for every problem?

Get some help.

[Devo]

I watched virtually the same thing happen to a small town in PA called Big Run, between Punxy and Dubois, 500 year rain event, 5 inches in a few hours, I came through Sunday, it happened Friday night, the mud line was 11 feet above the crick level which was back to normal.

I don't recall who was President, but I'm not so fucking retarded or TDS Syndromish to believe he caused it.

[Devo]

https://www.wtae.com/article/heavy-r...owns-2/7461879

DuBois business owners Rosemary Barber and Diana Peck, of DuBrook Concrete, said the flood happened fast. "It came over the bank and through the doors in a matter of half an hour," said Barber.
"We never thought it was going to come up this high," said Peck.

[txdot-guy]

A lot of attention is being paid to Camp Mystic in Kerr County on the Guadalupe River but the Central Texas area is much larger than that. A number of deaths occurred during flooding more than a hundred miles away.

Some reporting shows.

Some experts say that staffing shortages at the agency may have challenged forecasters’ ability to coordinate responses with local emergency management offices.

as well as

Separately, Kerr County officials once contemplated installing a flood warning system along the Guadalupe River, but ultimately rejected the idea as too expensive. So when catastrophic floodwaters surged over the weekend, there were no sirens or early flooding monitors. Text alerts came late for some residents and were dismissed or unseen by others.


Personally I don’t think getting a text alert sooner would have been effective. I think this type of flooding situation would require sirens to be an effective warning system.

That kind of system requires money and a long term financing commitment for maintenance and eventual repairs and replacement.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

A lot of attention is being paid to Camp Mystic in Kerr County on the Guadalupe River but the Central Texas area is much larger than that. A number of deaths occurred during flooding more than a hundred miles away.

Some reporting shows.

Some experts say that staffing shortages at the agency may have challenged forecasters’ ability to coordinate responses with local emergency management offices.

as well as

Separately, Kerr County officials once contemplated installing a flood warning system along the Guadalupe River, but ultimately rejected the idea as too expensive. So when catastrophic floodwaters surged over the weekend, there were no sirens or early flooding monitors. Text alerts came late for some residents and were dismissed or unseen by others.


Personally I don’t think getting a text alert sooner would have been effective. I think this type of flooding situation would require sirens to be an effective warning system.

That kind of system requires money and a long term financing commitment for maintenance and eventual repairs and replacement.

the NWS doesn't coordinate with anyone. they issue weather alerts

who are these experts? link???

see below about staffing

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

there's no blood on Trump's hands. NONE.



https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updat.../?id=123488468


Key Headlines

• 44 minutes ago
  Flash flood warnings issued night before, NWS had 'surge staffing'
• 1 hour and 13 minutes ago
  How you can help
• 1 hour and 25 minutes ago
  At least 90 dead in Texas
• 3 hours and 56 minutes ago

Flash flood warnings issued night before, NWS had 'surge staffing'

Questions have swirled around if there was enough warning and enough staffing for the early Friday morning floods in the wake of the Trump administration's job cuts to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.


But NOAA confirmed that the National Weather Service's Austin/San Antonio office had five meteorologists working the severe weather event as part of its "surge staffing" protocol. It is normally staffed with two.


NOAA also said the NWS had forecast briefings Thursday morning, issued a flood watch Thursday afternoon and then issued flash flood warnings on Thursday night and early Friday. This gave "preliminary lead times of more than three hours before flash flooding conditions occurred," NOAA said in a statement.




possible heavy rain and flooding was forecast. these campers accepted the risk.

as far as Texas not putting more sirens you may have a point. that however has nothing to do with Trump. and these areas in some cases are remote and difficult to install equipment.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

the NWS doesn't coordinate with anyone. they issue weather alerts

who are these experts? link???

see below about staffing

They referenced a NY Times article. Here’s a link to an archived version of the article. https://archive.ph/McR3V

I don’t give it much credence however. I think the warning got out to the correct people in Texas in plenty of time. I do worry however about cuts to the national weather service including efforts to model climate change. More research needs to be done on weather pattern changes so we can continue to model climate effects properly. Cutting research doesn’t seem to be a good way to save money in the budget.

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

as far as Texas not putting more sirens you may have a point. that however has nothing to do with Trump. and these areas in some cases are remote and difficult to install equipment.

The problem as I see it was poor timing and a lack of a good plan to get a good warning out effectively.

Knowing that there was a good chance of flash floods at two in the morning and no good way to spread the warning is a recipe for the disaster that occurred.

I blame Trump for a lot of things but this is really the Governor’s fault in my opinion. Funding in Texas is far from what I prefer. Too much Operation Lone Star and School Vouchers and not enough funding for flood control and other infrastructure projects.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

They referenced a NY Times article. Here’s a link to an archived version of the article. https://archive.ph/McR3V

I don’t give it much credence however. I think the warning got out to the correct people in Texas in plenty of time. I do worry however about cuts to the national weather service including efforts to model climate change. More research needs to be done on weather pattern changes so we can continue to model climate effects properly. Cutting research doesn’t seem to be a good way to save money in the budget.



The problem as I see it was poor timing and a lack of a good plan to get a good warning out effectively.

Knowing that there was a good chance of flash floods at two in the morning and no good way to spread the warning is a recipe for the disaster that occurred.

I blame Trump for a lot of things but this is really the Governor’s fault in my opinion. Funding in Texas is far from what I prefer. Too much Operation Lone Star and School Vouchers and not enough funding for flood control and other infrastructure projects.

a NYT lie. typical political bullshit from the NYT. who would you believe? the NWS or the NYLiars?


it's clear you want to blame this on someone. so blame it on God. it's His fault (said the nonbeliever)



they did spread the word. would blaring sirens have made much difference? maybe. but that wasn't Trump it was Abbott. but Abbott or any Governor couldn't have predicted such a event.



let me tell you what would have happened if Abbott had approved a warning system in that area. the left would call it wasted money for a 50 year event. then when 50 year event did happen they'd still concoct some reason to blame Abbott and Trump for nothing.


this is the problem with Democrats. they never blame themselves just everyone else.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

it's clear you want to blame this on someone. so blame it on God. it's His fault (said the nonbeliever)

they did spread the word. would blaring sirens have made much difference? maybe. but that wasn't Trump it was Abbott. but Abbott or any Governor couldn't have predicted such a event.

let me tell you what would have happened if Abbott had approved a warning system in that area. the left would call it wasted money for a 50 year event. then when 50 year event did happen they'd still concoct some reason to blame Abbott and Trump for nothing.

this is the problem with Democrats. they never blame themselves just everyone else.

I’m not blaming anyone. But your own words seem to imply that the democrats had something to do with it.

The truth is that Republicans have run the state for three decades now. If there is anyone to blame it’s definitely them. Unfortunately being short sighted is not a crime.

11 billion for Operation Lone Star and nothing for flood remediation or flood control. Texas has many needs and border security is one of them. 11 billion is just a little overkill however.

In my honest opinion. Greg Abbot and Ken Paxton have made a habit of using their offices to make political headlines at the expense of the public.

[eyecu2]

plenty of things went wrong here.

The area in question has limited cell reception and no sirens- so I'm told

The flooding happened during nightime/ sleep hours, so most would not be on point to watch out.

The parks were not suspecting the large down pour as it was, but conditions became very positive for the flooding- especially after a very intense amount of heat drying out the creek areas and making them like concrete.

the reduction of NWS and parks personnel- "may" become a factor at some point, but I'm not ready to completely roll the bus over the current administration. Alas- I'm betting that we are going to see many more events that will demonstrate their complete lack of understanding and empathy with american's throughout the country. They've almost guaranteed it with all the cuts to emergency management, parks, and other social services. You can DOGE all you want, but a lot of services in national parks are done where these folks make a pertinence of money and save many people who visit.

I'm more worried about a large scale event or national disaster- Trumps hired the most inept group of flunkies in history and they will be measured and found to come up short.

If it's gonna happen in either Florida or Texas, both of those two governors are in trumps back pocket so he'll help them out...but say it's in Tennesee or MS, MO, or KY.....you all is fucked.