The only losers are the people

[JD Barleycorn]

Well, the first game of the repeal Obamacare action is over and the people have lost again. I"m sure that by now our resident libtards are celebrating a "victory" by the democrats but they are always a little stupid when it comes to thinking. The GOP lost and the democrats never took the field. We have the words of Chuck Schumer and Maxine Waters representing both the House and the Senate. Schumer said he was unwilling to work with the GOP and Waters said that she didn't even want to be in the same room with them. Pretty strong langauge when you are telling half the country that they think you are less than human. Smells like Old Munich again.
Anyway, the GOP lost because Ryan didn't get his shit together and understand the results of the election (just like the democrats). Ryan tried to cut out there very people who gave hm the Speakership. The GOP wasted time. They have known for seven years that this day would come and they didn't plan for it. Worse, they didn't have a bill ready for the hopper. The main part of the Obamacare bill was written years before it was submitted. They just had to make changes to buy votes. There will be a second attempt because we all know that Obamacare is going to crash and burn very soon. Premiums are rising, deductibles are too high, insurance companies are leaving states and doctors are retiring. The crash will be worse than Canadian healthcare. The rich will do okay as they always do but the poor and the middle class...for one it will be a struggle and the other, will be told to blame their problems on the GOP.

[Sistine Chapel]

you and your mama are alive today because a black man invented and implemented an Affordable Healthcare Act. also known as Negro Care. oops I meant Obama care

[Munchmasterman]

Even now you can't man up and admit the people you voted for fucked you.
Not the democrats douche-bag. Your assholes never even put it up for a vote.
And the asshole in charge blames the dems. Oh, and Ryan too.

And listen to jdouche. The party with no agenda other than to make the sitting president a one termer.

Once again we see misrepresentation, lies, and jdouche bullshit. The repubs control all branches asshole.

PS Make that less than 50% of the people if you insist on crying again.

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Well, the first game of the repeal Obamacare action is over and the people have lost again. I"m sure that by now our resident libtards are celebrating a "victory" by the democrats but they are always a little stupid when it comes to thinking. The GOP lost and the democrats never took the field. We have the words of Chuck Schumer and Maxine Waters representing both the House and the Senate. Schumer said he was unwilling to work with the GOP and Waters said that she didn't even want to be in the same room with them. Pretty strong langauge when you are telling half the country that they think you are less than human. Smells like Old Munich again.
Anyway, the GOP lost because Ryan didn't get his shit together and understand the results of the election (just like the democrats). Ryan tried to cut out there very people who gave hm the Speakership. The GOP wasted time. They have known for seven years that this day would come and they didn't plan for it. Worse, they didn't have a bill ready for the hopper. The main part of the Obamacare bill was written years before it was submitted. They just had to make changes to buy votes. There will be a second attempt because we all know that Obamacare is going to crash and burn very soon. Premiums are rising, deductibles are too high, insurance companies are leaving states and doctors are retiring. The crash will be worse than Canadian healthcare. The rich will do okay as they always do but the poor and the middle class...for one it will be a struggle and the other, will be told to blame their problems on the GOP.

[JD Barleycorn]

And the democrats had greater control in 2010 and what did they do? The had bribe and threaten their own people for their votes. Trump is working with less and the goal now is to domesticate the Ryan branch of the GOP. When they get back to their districts they are going to hear things that will scare the living shit out of them. Many of them will come to know that they had better start giving Trump their best effort.
As much as the GOP is acting like a bunch of clowns, the democrats are not acting like good Americans. Taking your ball and leaving is not the American way. The democrats represent less than half of the American people (forget that popular vote bullshit) and they are acting like they can DICTATE (yes, that makes them potential dictators) to the rest of us like they have for the last eight years. We saw how that turned out; Obamacare in a death spiral, dead ambassadors in Africa, the rise of a militant force responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands, and the unencumbered rise of two new threats (Russia and China). Yeah, that dictatorship worked out pretty good for the American people.

[Yssup Rider]

Wow.

This is one epic meltdown, JDrunk.

Whassamatta? Your bracket already busted?

Or did they already toss you out of the Tilted Kilt?

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Premiums are rising, deductibles are too high, insurance companies are leaving states and doctors are retiring.

JDRUNK, United Health Care left because they were not fully reimbursed for their losses in 2014. Little Marco got a bill passed that would bar the government from honoring the agreement with the Risk-Corridor, which was for the first four years. The same idea that Bush43 had with Part D. The difference is Risk-Corridor is ongoing for Medicare Part D.

Tea party loons don't want the individual mandate. Well guess what JDRUNK, an insurance company is not going to make a profit if high risk people buy health insurance and low risk people don't.

In 2015 the health insurance uninsured rate was 10.5% for people under age 65. That is the lowest percentage in decades. Here is a link if you can read a graph.

http://kff.org/uninsured/fact-sheet/...red-population

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

JDRUNK, United Health Care left because they were not fully reimbursed for their losses in 2014. Little Marco got a bill passed that would bar the government from honoring the agreement with the Risk-Corridor, which was for the first four years. The same idea that Bush43 had with Part D. The difference is Risk-Corridor is ongoing for Medicare Part D.

Tea party loons don't want the individual mandate. Well guess what JDRUNK, an insurance company is not going to make a profit if high risk people buy health insurance and low risk people don't.

In 2015 the health insurance uninsured rate was 10.5% for people under age 65. That is the lowest percentage in decades. Here is a link if you can read a graph.

http://kff.org/uninsured/fact-sheet/...red-population

Here's a little factoid for you, flighty, Odumbo's young and healthy "Pajama Boy" age risk group are opting not to enroll and choosing instead to risk paying the much lower cost of the fine. Odumbocare is in a death spiral, and it's destined to crash and burn just after Odumbo leaves office ... like Odumbo, et al, fucking well planned it to happen on someone else's watch.

[canuckeight]

Funny how chucky wants to work with the President after the fact. Fuck you chucky, you had your chance and you stiffed your supporters. He knows his ass is grass. And he knows obamacare was designed to fail. They bet the house Hitlary would win and they lost big time.
But everything is okay right libs? No worries anyways obamacare is the best thing since sliced bread. Sleep tight.

https://www.newstalkflorida.com/feat...eal-obamacare/

[IIFFOFRDB]

Ryan took the bait...

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Here's a little factoid for you, flighty, Odumbo's young and healthy "Pajama Boy" age risk group are opting not to enroll and choosing instead to risk paying the much lower cost of the fine. Odumbocare is in a death spiral, and it's destined to crash and burn just after Odumbo leaves office.

Anthem (Blue Cross Blue Shield) is selling health insurance on the government exchange (HealthCare.Gov). BCBS is a major player. The death spiral that you are talking about implies that all the major health insurance will stop selling health insurance on HealthCare.gov due to unbalanced risk pools.

The number of people buying health insurance at HealthCare.Gov has leveled off at about 12 million. Which means all the high risk people are in the system. Premium increases in 2018 should be flat. The amount of risk that the health insurance companies are taking on in 2017 is not much different than what it was in 2016. The number policies sold in the individual market (HealthCare.Gov) didn't change by a lot. The ACA survives if BCBS decides to stay. There is no evidence that they plan to leave. Premium spikes should level off.

The ACA is insuring more people. The uninsured percentage rate is the lowest it has ever been. The graph that was provided in a prior post confirms that.

http://kff.org/uninsured/fact-sheet/...red-population

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

Anthem (Blue Cross Blue Shield) is selling health insurance on the government exchange (HealthCare.Gov). BCBS is a major player. The death spiral that you are talking about implies that all the major health insurance will stop selling health insurance on HealthCare.gov due to unbalanced risk pools.

The number of people buying health insurance at HealthCare.Gov has leveled off at about 12 million. Which means all the high risk people are in the system. Premium increases in 2018 should be flat. The amount of risk that the health insurance companies are taking on in 2017 is not much different than what it was in 2016. The number policies sold in the individual market (HealthCare.Gov) didn't change by a lot. The ACA survives if BCBS decides to stay. There is no evidence that they plan to leave. Premium spikes should level off.

The ACA is insuring more people. The uninsured percentage rate is the lowest it has ever been. The graph that was provided in a prior post confirms that.

The 'Pajama Boy" group comprises only 26% (down from 28% last year) of those participating, and per Odumbo, et al, Odumbocare needed a 40% participation level from that demographic. Odumbocare is in a death spiral, per the Aetna CEO and others, and it's going to crash and burn.

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by canuckeight

But everything is okay right libs? No worries anyways obamacare is the best thing since sliced bread. Sleep tight.

https://www.newstalkflorida.com/feat...eal-obamacare/

The Ryan bill had to be pulled because you have moderate republicans who don't want to lose the expanded Medicaid in their state, which would be lost in 2020. Even if the Ryan bill had passed it was DOA in the Senate. Go ask republican Senator Collins of Maine, and Senator Cotton of Arkansas their view on the Ryan bill. The bill is a no go without the expanded Medicaid.

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

The 'Pajama Boy" group comprises only 26% (down from 28% last year) of those participating, and per Odumbo, et al, Odumbocare needed a 40% participation level from that demographic. Odumbocare is in a death spiral, per the Aetna CEO and others, and it's going to crash and burn.

You made my point. The drop from 28% to 26% is not a significant change to the amount of risk that health insurance companies are seeing in 2017. The total population on the exchanges didn't change a lot. The population of low risk people didn't change that much (using your data). I will agree that the heavy premium increases that occurred in the past was that the low risk participation level did not approach the mid thirties.

You mention Aetna, they were only in 19 states in 2014. They are down to 5 now. BCBS is larger than Aetna and are selling in most states. BCBS would be the one to watch. If they decided to get out of most states, then that would be a problem.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Sistine Chapel

you and your mama are alive today because a black man invented and implemented an Affordable Healthcare Act. also known as Negro Care. oops I meant Obama care

negro quit lyin' u don't have ACA do u? u get yer insurance from your employer the Houston sanitation engineer's union bahhaaaa




take my trash to the dump negro.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

You made my point. The drop from 28% to 26% is not a significant change to the amount of risk that health insurance companies are seeing in 2017. The total population on the exchanges didn't change a lot. The population of low risk people didn't change that much (using your data). I will agree that the heavy premium increases that occurred in the past was that the low risk participation level did not approach the mid thirties.

You mention Aetna, they were only in 19 states in 2014. They are down to 5 now. BCBS is larger than Aetna and are selling in most states. BCBS would be the one to watch. If they decided to get out of most states, then that would be a problem.

You're disingenuously ignoring that Obamacare's objective level of 40% was never reached at all, and that the margin of shortfall widened from 12% to 14% with all indications that it will continue to widen. Obamacare cannot survive without that target group participating at the 40% level projected. Insurers are hemorrhaging cash and will continue to withdraw without financial input from that group.