What if?

[Mr E]

Suppose a guy and a lady are to meet up in a bar or some similar type joint before going to have an hour or two of paid fun. Within a minute of meeting you figure out she has had more to drink or whatever makes her appear/act that way. Or even extend the time period a little if your out in public like an event like sweet.treat69 describes in her thread about doing a date thing.

What should a guy, or lady in reverse do? I would tell them they appear to be to tipsy for my comfort to start with. I hate baby sitting drunks. But what happens after that? Pay or don't pay?

Write on.

[pyramider]

Are you suggesting a man take advantage of a woman? Or visa versa?

[LovingKayla]

You need to compensate her something for her time. Tipsy or not she still took time out of her day to see YOU. Knowing this is a P4P thing, not compensating her 30-40% of her rate (or so) would be very bad form.

Besides, how do you think she would feel, coming to you in good faith and trust, then you reject her.

Because you asked the question at all I'm going to assume you work extremely hard for your money and you can't afford it to go to just anyone. (rightly so) Meeting a provider in advance of BCD is a widely used tactic to weed out the providers you just don't like. Being a consumer I can understand your position... being a business woman, I can't imagine meeting in advance. We have reviews and information on us out here to aid you in your choice.

To sum up... Pay her SOMETHING. Don't be a jerk. Do your research and create an amazing time... You are actually part of the equation (even though a GREAT provider can swing it alone.)

Now if we are talking about the girls that charge 1000 and up, well ok I can understand meeting first. You still have to give her something for showing up. I mean... she SHOWED. WOW!!!! Gotta reward that just a tad.




OK I have had some incredible Mead tonight so this is my version of PWI. I'll look tomorrow and see if it came across as well as I hope.


OH and Edit: If we are talking about the guy being too tipsy it becomes a question of safety. Regular rules don't apply. It is over ridden by the "Oh shit, why did I leave the house and how can I get back there as fast as possible" rule.

[Guest082216-1]

The provider has an obligation to be in condition to perform her part of the agreement. If as the consumer, you feel her condition is so impared she cannot not perform her duties, then she has broken the implided agreement that she has the abiity to do her job. At that point, I feel you are under no opligation to pay her. If I hire a contractor and he shows up in no condition to do the job, I would send that person home, no pay.

Now, the reality is usualy a gray area. The provider wants to be payed, so most control themselves and are in condidtion to perform. As the consumer, it can be hard to know for sure. Some girls can drink like a fish but still control them selves just fine. One thing I would absolutly do is make she she has some safe way home. Call a taxi if needed. Its a small price to pay for her safety. Or let her stay in a room if you already paid for it. ETC.

Other than that, I would not pay her entire fee. If its someone I know welll or has an outstanding rep, I MIGHT offer to give her a small part of the fee if she reschedules and lowers her rate to cover what I had to spend out of pocket to make sure she was safe. If I want sex with a falling down drunk, I can hang out in the bars. I expect a provider to be able to give her very best. If its clear she cannot then its time to go home and try again later. Shes the professional, she needs to act like one.

All this is predicated on her condition when you meet. If she is OK when you meet, you start buying drinks and she gets hammered, then you have to assume part of the responsibility as you could at any time say its time for the session to start.

Kayla, I know you and many others don't agree with meeting before BCD is promised. However, many are willing to do so. In fact, I know some who will not schedule a first time session until after they have had a chance to meet the guy first. I guess the screening out those you don't like can work both ways. The very best times I have had is with providers who have met me before any BCD was even scheduled. In fact all but one of the ladies I have seen more than once are those who took the time and risk of meeting me before BCD is scheduled.

The only "right" way is the way that works best for you. :-)

[eccienewbie]

Originally Posted by Bubba3452

The provider has an obligation to be in condition to perform her part of the agreement. If as the consumer, you feel her condition is so impared she cannot not perform her duties, then she has broken the implided agreement that she has the abiity to do her job. At that point, I feel you are under no opligation to pay her. If I hire a contractor and he shows up in no condition to do the job, I would send that person home, no pay.

This. Show up unfit for the job, and all rights to payment are forfeit, imho. That said, she's gonna have to be pretty f'd up for me to take that position. If, on the other hand, it's more a case where you just don't mesh as opposed to her being too polluted to perform at a reasonably high level (man, it feels weird talking about "this" in these terms, but....), then pay the woman for her time. And don't be cheap in arriving at a figure.

[~Ze~]

Originally Posted by eccienewbie

Show up unfit for the job, and all rights to payment are forfeit, imho.

PLUS 1.

If you were too drunk to work your 9-5 office job, do you think your boss would still pay you? No, your ass would prolly be fired. If not, you would have some serious "programs" to attend to continue working there.

This IS a business, and if a provider doesn't treat it as such.... *sigh* nvm.. nothing that hasn't been said on here already. And the intended audience probably isn't going to read it anyways.

[Jason Gideon]

Originally Posted by ~Ze~

PLUS 1.

If you were too drunk to work your 9-5 office job, do you think your boss would still pay you? No, your ass would prolly be fired. If not, you would have some serious "programs" to attend to continue working there.

This IS a business, and if a provider doesn't treat it as such.... *sigh* nvm.. nothing that hasn't been said on here already. And the intended audience probably isn't going to read it anyways.

Well said! +100

[pmdelites]

Originally Posted by Mr E

Suppose a guy and a lady are to meet up in a bar or some similar type joint before going to have an hour or two of paid fun. Within a minute of meeting you figure out she has had more to drink or whatever makes her appear/act that way. Or even extend the time period a little if your out in public like an event, like sweet.treat69 describes in her thread about doing a date thing.

What should a guy, or lady in reverse do? I would tell them they appear to be to tipsy for my comfort to start with. I hate baby sitting drunks. But what happens after that? Pay or don't pay?

Write on.

ask her if she's related to Rick Perry

if she's impaired, i would do what i could to make sure she's safe and then leave; maybe pay for a cab, maybe take her to her apt/home/hotel. but nothing more and def not pay her anything. she showed up impaired, not me. if i had wanted her to be in that condition, i would have told her that upfront. [intoxicated sex = less than deliteful]

flip the sides - if i showed up at an incall soused or intoxicated, i would expect similar or worse. i imagine that before i got home, she'd be in the powder room roasting me.

[LovingKayla]

Falling down drunk is one thing, but does that happen often? I see this as an easy excuse to leave a girl that the hobbyist just doesn't like.

[London Rayne]

If you sat there and spent an hour with her in the bar...you owe her money. In fact, that donation should have been given to her within the first 10 min. so how could she possibly have time to get tipsy first?

SHE would owe you the bcd time/money after this point should you decide you don't want to go on. I would let her keep a hundred bucks for the drinks and the TIME YOU ALREADY SPENT, and take off.

I don't do the whole bar/dinner thing first so I never have to worry about things like this, but it's common sense to present the donation BEFORE anything takes place including her having time to get drunk.

Now, if she was already drunk before you got there...you owe her nada!

[durango95]

If a hobbyist does not like a lady for any reason he should walk away and thats the end of it. If you are in business for yourself, which is what most providers always clearly tell me, then they have to take some risks. Risks as in no-shows or whatever. You agree to meet a hobbyist in a bar for drinks, well the hobbyist should understand where there are drinks and drinking, someone might get tipsy. Go figure???? But back on point, if the lady is not appealing or impaired, she might not get paid for the evening.

[Guest062124]

Originally Posted by Mr E

Within a minute of meeting you figure out she has had more to drink or whatever makes her appear/act that way.

If within minutes, you discover that she is inebriated or whatever, you have every right to pack up and leave without compensation. (call a cab for her).

[Guest021812-3]

All good in theory, but what are the odds of the type of girl that shows up wasted to a meeting handling this quietly and discreetly? I'd be tempted to pretend I was using the bathroom and sneak out the back.

[bojulay]

Whatever you work out between each other as far as pay goes is one thing,
but you should never sleep with a girl thats drunk.

I think thats a rule that should never be broken.
A true gentelman never will. No matter what the context of the relationship.

[txcwby6]

Originally Posted by ~Ze~

PLUS 1.

If you were too drunk to work your 9-5 office job, do you think your boss would still pay you? No, your ass would prolly be fired. If not, you would have some serious "programs" to attend to continue working there.

This IS a business, and if a provider doesn't treat it as such.... *sigh* nvm.. nothing that hasn't been said on here already. And the intended audience probably isn't going to read it anyways.

+1