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Old 01-29-2012, 09:10 AM   #1
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Default OBAMA: IS HE THAT STUPID; OR INCOMPETENT???

Another failed green project backed by taxpayer money and pushed by Obama...........why does he insist on wasting our tax money financing his poltical buddies???

Drip, Drip, Drip: Yet Another Green Energy Stimulus Recipient Hits the Skids (the third this week!)

by William Yeatman on January 27, 2012
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Earlier this week, Stimulus beneficiary Evergreen Energy bit the dust. Then, Ener1, a manufacturer of batteries for electric vehicles and recipient of Stimulus largesse, filed for bankruptcy. And today, the Las Vegas Sun reports that Amonix, Inc., a manufacturer of solar panels that received $5.9 million from the Porkulus, will cut two-thirds of its workforce, about 200 employees, only seven months after opening a factory in Nevada.

I foresaw this spate of bad news last November. As I explained yesterday,
In a previous post, I compared renewable energy spending in the 2009 Stimulus to a green albatross burdening the President. I argued that Stimulus spending was inherently wasteful, because politics invariably corrupts government’s investment decisions. The result is taxpayers losses on bankrupt companies that existed only by the grace of political favoritism, a la Solyndra. I predicted the green stimulus would haunt the President, in the form of a slow drip public relations nightmare, as a litany of bad investments go belly-up in the run up to the 2012 elections.
Mr. President, are you still sure you want to “double down” on renewable energy giveaways?
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Old 01-29-2012, 09:13 AM   #2
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Default AND ANOTHER FAILED "GREEN" PROJECT OBAMA FINANCED...

Some 200 laid off at North Las Vegas Amonix solar plant


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Gov. Brian Sandoval addresses the crowd during a ribbon-cutting ceremony for Amonix, a California-based solar power company that recently opened its new North Las Vegas facility, Tuesday, May 17, 2011.

By Aida Ahmed (contact)
Published Wednesday, Jan. 25, 2012 | 4:46 p.m.
Updated Wednesday, Jan. 25, 2012 | 5:50 p.m.
Amonix Solar Power Ribbon Cutting



Just seven months after California-based solar power company Amonix Inc. opened its largest manufacturing plant, in North Las Vegas, the company’s contractor has laid off nearly two-thirds of its workforce.


Flextronics Industrial, the Singapore solar panel manufacturer that partnered with Amonix to staff the new $18 million, 214,000-square-foot plant, laid off about 200 of its 300-plus employees Tuesday.

Amonix’s director of manufacturing operations, Eric Culberson, said the layoffs are part of “retooling” the factory as the company prepares to roll out its next-generation product.

“The new 8700 utility-scale CPV solar power system is a higher efficiency and lower cost,” Culberson said. “Once it is ready, we will ramp back up to meet the demands of the industry.”

Culberson said the job cuts are temporary and expects to begin hiring more people in the second half of the year to meet demand.
The company scaled down at all levels of employment at the plant — which was hiring as recently as three months ago — from entry level assemblers, process engineers, production supervisors and quality-control techs, according to one employee who was laid off.

Culberson said layoffs were made across the board.

Theodore Lewis, another employee, was working at the plant for six months before he and dozens of other employees were called into a mandatory meeting Tuesday.

“There was no excuse,” said Lewis, 34, who was never told his job was temporary. “They just said our job was done.”

Lewis said employees were confused and disappointed when they heard the news and were directed by human resources to look for other local jobs in retail.

The Las Vegas resident, who worked various assembly jobs at the plant, said it took him more than a month to secure the job last year and is frustrated to be back at square one.

“It’s setting me back,” Lewis said. “Now I have to fish for another job. It was hard getting that job and now this."

With a promise to bring hundreds of clean energy jobs and boost the hard-hit North Las Vegas economy, the plant was heralded as a success earlier this month by Mayor Shari Buck in her state of the city address.
Buck said Wednesday that she was aware of the layoffs but has faith the company will bring back the jobs.

“They were temporary employees brought in to handle a major project,” she said. “Amonix is taking the opportunity to automate their system better and get ready for the next big project. I expect Amonix to continue to be successful and have a great future in their solar production.”

Amonix and Flextronics opened shop in May 2011 at the Golden Triangle Industrial Park near Craig Road and Interstate 15 in North Las Vegas to a warm welcome from U.S. Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-Nev., Gov. Brian Sandoval and Buck.

Amonix received a $5.9 million investment tax credit through the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act in 2010, and another $12 million in private capital helped finance the plant.

Together, the two companies manufacture concentrated photovoltaic solar power systems, producing about four solar panel arrays — each 50 feet by 72 feet — a day. The Amonix 7700 systems were estimated to generate enough solar energy to power up to 30 homes.

Many of the solar panels are shipped to clients in New Mexico, Colorado and Arizona, but the company has built solar arrays for UNLV, NV Energy and the Southern Nevada Water Authority.

Although the company originally said it was working to secure contracts with the new water reclamation facility and the Veterans Affairs hospital under construction in North Las Vegas, Culberson would not comment on the status of the local projects.

Last month, Amonix CEO Brian Robertson was killed in a plane crash in Pennsylvania. An Amonix spokeswoman said the layoffs were in process before he died. Jan van Dokkum, an operating partner with venture capital firm KPCB, was named interim CEO.
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Well you can blow a few mil trying to make the world a better place.Or a few trillion on wars.Take your pick.
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You make it sound like Obama didn't get what he wanted. He wanted to use taxpayer dollars to pay off his cronyies and he did. He wanted to use taxpayer dollars to pay off the union leadership and he did. He wanted to use taxpayer dollars to prop up union pensions and he did. He wanted to change the country to increasing our debt so much that we are now hat in hand to the world and he did. He wanted reduce our military and now he can. He wanted to create a million person federal police force and....
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I'm going with naive, incompetent, corrupt and idealistic but he's always good for a beer and a speech.
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Exclamation Alternative Sources

The bottom line is that this country needs alternative sources of energy.

The problem is nobody knows exactly the path that will lead us there which is why experimentation is required.

When you experiment you will have some failures, but that does not mean that the quest is wrong, it just means that particular path was not the one.

How many "failures" did Thomas Edison encounter before he hit on the right formula for the light bulb?

. . . The sad fact is that some people are merely obsessed with looking for excuses to criticize the President.


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How many "failures" did Thomas Edison encounter before he hit on the right formula for the light bulb?
Will you please cite your source where it states Edison accepted government funding for any of his failed experiments?
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That is not the point I was making and I did not imply it either.

I'm sure Edison would have not turned down government help if he could have obtained it and the US would have certainly made a wise investment if they had assisted him with his inventions.

Right now, one major reason that solar power companies in the US have difficulty in building momentum is that they are competing against China who does subsidize Chinese companies in these areas.

. . . Companies cannot compete against countries.
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You make it sound like Obama didn't get what he wanted. He wanted to use taxpayer dollars to pay off his cronyies and he did. He wanted to use taxpayer dollars to pay off the union leadership and he did. He wanted to use taxpayer dollars to prop up union pensions and he did. He wanted to change the country to increasing our debt so much that we are now hat in hand to the world and he did. He wanted reduce our military and now he can. He wanted to create a million person federal police force and....

Whine whine whine just face it you are a Obama hater,and it wouldn't matter what he did you would whine.Same old happened in Iraq with Bush's buddies. Like Halliburton ans Custer Battles to name a couple.Did you bitch about that then? Just askin.
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Do you understand what you just wrote? I don't.

The difference between private funding and government is that governments decide based on politics and not performance. Private funding is looking for success. The classic example is the buggie whip industry. If Henry Ford wanted funding then we won't have got it. Remember he was just a little guy with an idea at the time. The chance that he could put the buggie whip, and horse ranchers out of business some day would have prevented government from helping him.
Solyndra, like any government sponsored organization, had no real motivation to save money or to produce something on schedule. You could look at the military (yep, they do waste a lot of money) but the military has a class of people in it that are not looking to get rich (so crime is small) but to serve their country.
The most recent loser http://www.globalwarming.org/2012/01...ird-this-week/
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Whine whine whine just face it you are a Obama hater,and it wouldn't matter what he did you would whine.Same old happened in Iraq with Bush's buddies. Like Halliburton ans Custer Battles to name a couple.Did you bitch about that then? Just askin.
See you got the period at the end of the sentences. The capital letter thing down at the begining of the sentences. Now let's concentrate on the double space between the period and the cap. LOL
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In answer to the original question posited in this thread I will answer C all the above.
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The bottom line is that this country needs alternative sources of energy. . . .
Solar Energy; beyond very small applications, is not one of them!
Don't take my word for it... The Second Law of Thermodynamics says so!

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DING , DING , DING. . . . BINGO!!!

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That is not the point I was making and I did not imply it either.
Of Course, it wasn't!! * That would have crushed your entire analogy!
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That is not the point I was making and I did not imply it either.

I'm sure Edison would have not turned down government help if he could have obtained it and the US would have certainly made a wise investment if they had assisted him with his inventions.

Right now, one major reason that solar power companies in the US have difficulty in building momentum is that they are competing against China who does subsidize Chinese companies in these areas.

. . . Companies cannot compete against countries.
You're deflecting. Solar energy technology and production have been in development in this country for decades. As I've written many times I've been waiting for almost 50 years to nail an affordable, reliable 1 kW solar matrix to the side of my house. Tons of money have been thrown at it along with wind power by both govt and private industry for decades. Its simply not economical and folks do not want huge solar and wind farms in their backyard. We also won't have anymore Hoover dam and nuclear projects with the ecofacists today.

That leaves fossil fuels of which we have plenty. Be comfortable using them or enjoy riding your unicorn to work.
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You think we have plenty of fossil fuels? I don't think so.

Maybe coal, but we're running out of the more important player, oil fairly quickly. I would estimate we run out of oil in less than 50 years and we will have hell to pay if we don't have a viable alternative standing by.

The supply of crude is finite which is why oil companies have to go into deeper and deeper parts of the ocean to find new reservoirs.

This is why you're seeing more hybrid cars and why gas mileage is becoming such a major factor in car design.

I think solar energy has much potential that has yet to be tapped and there are many others we should be researching as well.

If China continues to subsidize their solar energy companies while we dither and hold back, they will soon overtake us.

. . . They are already in better financial shape than the US is and that should be a concern to everyone in this country.
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