How/Why do they do it?

[Audrey Astor]

I have a question that may come across as disrespectful. It is an honest question though, and I am truly curious. It seems like there are some providers around that consistently receive bad reviews. I guess that is not an anomaly in itself, but I don't understand how they stay around while seemingly providing bad service, and not improving. We were all new once, and lord knows I made some mistakes; thankfully nothing major resulting in a bad review. If someone gave me some critical feedback, or something came out in a review that was truthful, but bad, I would think that I would work to correct the issue. I see time and time again, bad reviews written indicating the same "displeasing issue" over and over. Why don't they fix the issue? Why do guys continue to spend their time and money there? Are they hoping they have changed? Are they hoping that the girl will really like them, and give them a different experience?

[b.daddy51]

For the ones who consistently get bad reviews I doubt if they get much, if any, return business. I believe they continue to operate with some degree of success due to P.T. Barnum's observation "There's a sucker born every minute." That and people not doing their research.

[Guest013121]

Girl we have talked about this same issue a thousand times before. It never gets answered. I would think the girls that provide fake info or rob guys or have their pimps jump on clients should be the girls getting pointed or banned. It doesn't make sense to me at all and never will. Guys even read all the alerts and no reviews and still see the hooker and then write their own no review for everyone to know what a dumbass they themselves are too. Lmao! It is amazing what money can buy these days but it sure as hell can't buy common sense.

[Bomb Pop]

Some girls can't move on to new towns (family, kids, management, etc). That and with google voice and new fake photos so easy to get the girl can "reinvent" herself constantly. That is why we as a community need to keep vigilant and point out these bad seeds to at least keep ourselves safe.

[JSwan1869]

Great question and statement. I feel its like any public service job ( not really), but the money can be good, but they really aren't disciplined enough to improve and build their clientele. This would lead to "regulars" instead of always strange faces in strange places. A vicious cycle.

[JackJohnson]

Originally Posted by Bomb Pop

Some girls can't move on to new towns (family, kids, management, etc). That and with google voice and new fake photos so easy to get the girl can "reinvent" herself constantly. That is why we as a community need to keep vigilant and point out these bad seeds to at least keep ourselves safe.

I will add to this, but it's pretty spot on. BP girls can change their names multiple times, get a new cell phone easily, and even use fake pics. I don't have any numbers (those would be interesting) but one can easily see how "non-regular" or "out of the loop" folks (read: who don't use any site) who don't exchange any information make it easy. not all folks are at a "hobby" level.

Also, I think the question is sort of disingenuous, we know that this is a subjective activity, who you want... etc and review reflect that. Someone might review a girl well, but she really isn't very good at all, because deals are made, etc. The converse is also true. Reviews are subjective and a man might post a bad review for lack of a deal or because a provider ticked him off. That's his right, and he doesn't really have to explain it... Further, one person's good time is another person's mechanical acting, disinterested, pro forma money grab. How you see the world, or interaction with another is variable to so many degrees...

Reviews are what the user thought, at the time... they can change over time, they can be part of a larger campaign to hit a girl in the pocketbook, they can be just "hey I want premium access for free!" too many variables... not enough time.

ECCIE isn't the end all of the net, in some areas (even this one), its not even the prime way of finding girls, so to me, its just not that surprising. What is surprising is that this question resurfaces quite often, and I always wonder what motivates the surprise, except to remind us NOT to see girls with bad reviews

Duh!

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[Mizzou82]

I think it boils down to the reason that they are a provider. If you are just in it for a quick buck and/or to buy drugs or support a pimp, your goals are not to build a business. Who knows if these girls succeed in getting the cash they need by shortchanging or ripping guys off. I would guess if they are exclusive to BP, they can find a never ending source of guys who are infrequent hobbyist or newbies, that are easy marks.

[Audrey Astor]

The one I am thinking of has been around for a good 8 months or more, using the same name and same number, advertising on P411, ECCIE etc. Bad reviews rack up on different boards, but the guys keep going... IDK... I guess I shouldn't care, as it really is none of my business. One of my biggest pet peeves are people being blatantly incompetent in their job; whether it be picking up trash, flipping a burger, being an engineer or whatever. Especially if it is me paying. LOL I just feel bad hearing some of these guys stories... :-(

[JackJohnson]

Originally Posted by Holly Love

The one I am thinking of has been around for a good 8 months or more, using the same name and same number, advertising on P411, ECCIE etc. Bad reviews rack up on different boards, but the guys keep going... IDK... I guess I shouldn't care, as it really is none of my business. One of my biggest pet peeves are people being blatantly incompetent in their job; whether it be picking up trash, flipping a burger, being an engineer or whatever. Especially if it is me paying. LOL I just feel bad hearing some of these guys stories... :-(

So why not just out her so we can stop wondering who you are talking about, and maybe some folks who see her can tell you why they keep seeing her?

There are a million and one reasons to explain why, in general a woman might have bad reviews and still receive clients, some good, some bad, some drama wrapped, some lies, some misunderstandings, some bad communication. It seems many of these threads have a specific girl in mind, but no one wants to say anything... which seems to contradict the desire to prevent people from wasting money....

As the numerous back and forths over bad reviews indicate, your mileage may vary...

Mostly, because some people are paying for a fuck and go... no hassle... no worry, and if that bar is cleared, meh. Who cares. *shrug* YMMV

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[Guest013121]

As much as I love p411, I do have to admit that any and every girl can get on there now. I feel bad for the guys who pay for those memberships and see nothing but bad reviewed Bp trash on there. Now that these fraudulent bad business girls are on p411, they can do really good clientele wrong and know he has money and he's not le. The guys might think they shouldn't have to do as much research if they're seeing a chick off p411, but in reality they need to do just as much as they would if they're researching a Bp girl. I think once ladies off p411 start getting numerous no reviews and are using fake pcs or have alerts on them, they should lose their p411 membership. They are no longer reputable, legit providers for the discerning gentlemen who are paying an additional fee for a p411 membership. That would be an excellent way to filter the bs girls off of some of these sites. Take away their memberships! Hurt their pockets and maybe they'll straighten up. You eccie people always wana ban a chick on here if she is disrespectful or someone hits the RTM button on her but not if she's robbing clients, getting bad review after bad review or if she has a shitload of alerts on her....makes no sense to me. It would eliminate a lot of problems. Banning someone like me doesn't hurt my pockets, I have nearly 9 years of establishment. But ban the girls whom pockets it would hurt and you might see a difference in the quality of providers you have on here and p411.

[Guest013121]

Originally Posted by JackJohnson

So why not just out her so we can stop wondering who you are talking about, and maybe some folks who see her can tell you why they keep seeing her?

Well one reason she may not be is due to the sensitivity of the eccie community. I said something about a girl the other day for always starting a 'new service threAd' and got pointed. So, it's almost not worth trying to help the community when the community is made up of mods who still see hookers and use their position of power to play Hooker God and protect their favorites. Does this make sense?? Yea, it doesn't to me either.... I sure as shit don't get it.

[Col. Zodiak]

Gemma, are we going there again?

Originally Posted by Gemma34

As much as I love p411, I do have to admit that any and every girl can get on there now. I feel bad for the guys who pay for those memberships and see nothing but bad reviewed Bp trash on there. Now that these fraudulent bad business girls are on p411, they can do really good clientele wrong and know he has money and he's not le. The guys might think they shouldn't have to do as much research if they're seeing a chick off p411, but in reality they need to do just as much as they would if they're researching a Bp girl. I think once ladies off p411 start getting numerous no reviews and are using fake pcs or have alerts on them, they should lose their p411 membership. They are no longer reputable, legit providers for the discerning gentlemen who are paying an additional fee for a p411 membership. That would be an excellent way to filter the bs girls off of some of these sites. Take away their memberships! Hurt their pockets and maybe they'll straighten up.

Gina does take things like this seriously and has revoked membership on several ladies for such.

You eccie people always wana ban a chick on here if she is disrespectful or someone hits the RTM button on her but not if she's robbing clients, getting bad review after bad review or if she has a shitload of alerts on her....makes no sense to me. It would eliminate a lot of problems. Banning someone like me doesn't hurt my pockets, I have nearly 9 years of establishment. But ban the girls whom pockets it would hurt and you might see a difference in the quality of providers you have on here and p411.

If a lady is a threat to the community by robbing clients, and it is proven, their VP is revoked. Bad reviews? If she gets enough of them, she will either change her MO or get out of the business, usually gets out.

The moderators on ECCIE are not hobby police that have the ability to force anything on any one. We are here to oversee the daily functions of the board and to make sure that things are posted that are within the guidelines. Banning a lady for a bad review would serve no purpose, would you have a male member be banned for writing a bad review or posting a NS/NC on a lady?

Originally Posted by Gemma34

Well one reason she may not be is due to the sensitivity of the eccie community. I said something about a girl the other day for always starting a 'new service threAd' and got pointed. So, it's almost not worth trying to help the community when the community is made up of mods who still see hookers and use their position of power to play Hooker God and protect their favorites. Does this make sense?? Yea, it doesn't to me either.... I sure as shit don't get it.

Again, I am waiting for the proof that you say you have. And please, send it to me by PM.

[Guest013121]

Originally Posted by Col. Zodiak

Gemma, are we going there again?



Gina does take things like this seriously and has revoked membership on several ladies for such.

If a lady is a threat to the community by robbing clients, and it is proven, their VP is revoked. Bad reviews? If she gets enough of them, she will either change her MO or get out of the business, usually gets out.

The moderators on ECCIE are not hobby police that have the ability to force anything on any one. We are here to oversee the daily functions of the board and to make sure that things are posted that are within the guidelines. Banning a lady for a bad review would serve no purpose, would you have a male member be banned for writing a bad review or posting a NS/NC on a lady?



Again, I am waiting for the proof that you say you have. And please, send it to me by PM.

Huh?? Awaiting on me to send what proof?? All these threads people start and alerts from people is proof enough. And the mods ARE hobby police, or so it seems. And if these ladies 'GOT OUT' of the business there would not be countless threads and alerts on the same chicks over and over again. Im not speaking bad about Gina. I've been a member there for forever. Sites like Eccie could help her keep up with the chicks doing these things if they would take action also. Please don't put words in my mouth.

[Audrey Astor]

[QUOTE=JackJohnson;1055119629]So why not just out her so we can stop wondering who you are talking about, and maybe some folks who see her can tell you why they keep seeing her?

Hi Jack, I didn't quote a name, because it is not nice. I would not like someone to do that to me. I thought I could get an answer or provoke some thinking without names. That is just not my style Jack. And.... it is none of my business, but I am CURIOUS. Some of the points you make, are reasons, and I thank you for being honest and answering. To be honest with you, if a friend of mine behaved in this way, I would (and have) confront them with honest criticism, and I would expect my folks to do the same with me. So.... while I think being PC can be overrated, there is a time and place for it.

[jframe2]

How about this-
guys see an ad from a provider and it strikes a chord with them; certain hair, certain look in the photo, certain menu, etc, etc that fit his criteria.

then the guy starts thinking well, it will be different if I see her. I am nice, I have the funds, I am a gentlemen. Those bad reviews are from guys with an agenda; mean guys, a$$holes towards providers, etc.

The guy can't get passed the fact that he wants what he sees/reads and it will be different when he sees the girl. The fact that there are multiple, multiple bad reviews do not register with the guy.

It's called rationalization. It leads to a bad end every time.