Violence and The Left

[ICU 812]

This began on another thread. I am bringing it up here to avoid hijacking that topic.

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Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I would be curious if you can give us an example of the violent means you reference? How exactly are the leftist's you talk about silencing conservatives with violence?

Well of course it is difficult to impossible to prove a negative. How can anyone show that the threat of violence intimidated someone to be silent? If they make that claim publicly, then they have not been silenced. So there connnot actually be examples of violence enforcing silence.


Sean Hennety has been open about his felt need for a concealed ctry permit NYC for years, as well as the need to actively train in unarmed defense of his person. He has spoken about credible death threats on air. No, he has not been "silenced", but there do seem to be folks who would do him harm.

In the Houston area, talk radio host Michael Berry has the same exposure. He has established a private studio with security and his family lives in an undisclosed rural area with security . . . .all for a reason.

These are public figures with resources and a platform, both living in deep red states now. I can n to imagine anyone speaking stridently from the right, as they do , while living in Minneapolis or Settlr or . . .well you pick a major city run by Democrats.

Hennety, and Rush Limbaugh before him, cited high taxes as their reason for leaving New York. But lower profile folks and others, "just regular people", are also ast risk of violence for stating their beliefs.

The Democratic Party is no longer the party of Martin Luther King who brought the non-violent ideals of Ghandi to the Civil Rights Movement. The fact is that the left endorses violence, even encourages it as a tactic to further one's agenda or point of view. The mayor of Cincinnati lpublically said that those folks deserved to be beaten. Leftists endorsed the killing of that insurance executive. The left actively supported BLM riots with money and logistics. Prominent Democrats openly espouse the use of violence in the furtherance of progressive goals.

[Precious_b]

Well, I wonder why a person who is a mouthpiece for the right, who spews hypocrisy from his illuminated perch on a channel that falsely claims to be news that has caused physical harm to others for what he says, feels he has to do such?

But I wanted to see what a quick googly peek would say.

Right-wing violence: Studies indicate that right-wing extremists have been responsible for a larger number of violent incidents and fatalities in the United States since 1990. This includes attacks by white supremacists, anti-government militias, and other groups according to the National Institute of Justice (.gov). There's also evidence suggesting a recent surge in right-wing political extremism globally. Research suggests that individuals with right-wing authoritarian characteristics may be more inclined towards violence against those who violate social norms.
Left-wing violence: While less frequent and generally less lethal than right-wing violence, attacks by left-wing extremist groups have also occurred, with a noted increase in 2021. These incidents often involve anarchists, anti-fascists, and violent environmentalists, with targets frequently including government and police buildings, and businesses, according to CSIS analysis.
Populist Ideologies and Violence: Research suggests that populist ideologies, regardless of whether they are left or right-wing, may be associated with a higher likelihood of justifying political violence compared to mainstream ideologies.
Lone Wolf Threat: The FBI and Department of Homeland Security indicate that the greatest threat of domestic terrorism comes from lone offenders, often radicalized online, targeting easily accessible locations, according to Lawfare.

So, the lefties are up and comers. But the righties hold the mantle.

[ICU 812]

I would note that the rioters of 2020 and earlier,Furgedon Missouri for example, were not considered to be right wing extremists. Cute the corny. The were embraced by the progressive left who supported them with public encouragement as well s legal and financial support. . . .even by democrats who were running for the presidency.

Further, I would point out that it was a leftist extremist who earlier actually shot up a Republican baseball team practice session with a so-called "assault rifle". A number of Republican lawmakers were shot and several were seriously injured.

While these things are offen kept secret, it is not evident that any from the right have attempted to assassinate the past few Democratic presidents in office or while campaigning. Yet there have been two acknowledged attempts on candidate Trump. . . .that were publicly applauded by many on the left.

A syndicated talk show host local to Houston, Michael Berry often jokingly refers to carjackers and other criminals as "Democrat voters".

Martin Luther King didn't give his life so that looters could ravige Chicago's high end shopping district in a planned co-ordination with a pre planned mob threw gasoline bombs at police elsewhere.

So just what is this about the left and violence?

[Schwarzer Ritter]

The actual numbers are rigged by liberal mayors and the media. How many violent riots that resulted in death have been called "mostly peaceful protests"? A 17 year old kid defends himself and is labeled a racist, A vigilante, and a white supremist. A liberal who does that will be called a protester or a hero.

[1blackman1]

You guys left out Jan 6. I think I’d call that violent. And Charlottesville a few years prior. If you somehow think the right is nonviolent you’ve surely fooled yourself.

[Schwarzer Ritter]

Two incidents versus hundreds. A woman dies in each of the former; one by an insane person and the other by a out of control cop. In the latter, dozens died, hundreds injured, thousands of buildings burned, billions of dollars of damage... You can count right?

[eyecu2]

I thought this was about the posting of Hannity and Rush and other hate spewers' needing a protection group?

I guess if I was the mouthpiece of a forum watched nationally, and was on the verge of spewing negative hate filled rants about people, denigrating them, vilifying them, then yes, I would likely get some ppl who would be angry enough to act out. But that doesn't stop these ppl. The hate is the reason they are popular. It allows folks who are 'a'kin', or same minded to get riled up and create a unity of hate.

So the question of what came first- the racist or hate-filled tropes or the results of people getting pissed off about being called things that they are not?

plant potatoes, you get potatoes. Not all that hard to see where all that was heading anyway. Besides that- the pre-planning of the sermons', the daily and often hourly bashing by Hannity's team of writers, and his guests that are there not to offer a differing viewpoint, but to solidify his hatred and justification, are all in alignment to do one thing.

GASLIGHT


That's one thing you don't see on liberal media like that. There is often identification of absurdities, or lies, or the actions that just don't make sense such as Trumps nominees', but never the vitriol that comes out of the entertainers at FOX n Fuckers. These people wear crosses around their necks, but are not at all like how the old saying of WWJD. They get their ratings, and shows based on who can engage an audience and create more "clicks and watches", and its' always based on being gaslit. Always.

[txdot-guy]

I had hoped this topic would have died a quiet death however “close, but no cigar”.

The topic should not be Violence and the Left but rather Fear and Politics.

The OP is describing a “fear” of violence not actual violence. And that fear is common on both the left and the right.

The difference as I see it is what each side is afraid of.

From the comments that I’ve seen in this forum it appears to break down like this.

Conservatives are afraid of violence in the form of riots, immigrants, muslims and criminals. For example “Black Lives Matter” and Immigrants as criminals, Sharia law and the homeless and drug addicted.

Liberals on the other hand are afraid of violence in the form of unjustified Martial Law, Illegal arrests by the state, harassment by the justice system, unjustified lawsuits by the state against institutions and individuals, The rounding up of those considered “undesirable”.

Basically one is willing to give over their freedoms to the state to feel safe from what they see as the breakdown of the community and the other fears that state will take away their freedoms because they don’t conform to what the state expects of them.

Politically this is borne out by the language each side uses to describe the other. Each side trying to make the other fearful of the other and then vote correspondingly.

This is why when someone makes the argument that the LEFT is violent I just find it laughable that so many people have fallen for this particular tactic. The so called left and right are just made up of regular folk for the most part and fearing each other is just want the politicians want you to believe. That way they still get elected and they don’t have to actually compromise with each other to get any actual governing accomplished.

[Schwarzer Ritter]

And when leftists lie in wait to ambush federal agents in Texas? Not once but twice. New weapons, new tactical equipment purchased by someone. Five Texas police officers ambushed and killed a few years ago by BLM supporters in a parking garage. Trans activists invading classrooms and slaughtering children? You won't admit to this and I didn't even mention Bernie supporters trying to mass murder GOP politicians. If I had the time I could write for hours but you'll fall back on myth; Republicans hate this group or that group. There is no hate, just a recognition that you're wrong, ineffective, or insane.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

And when leftists lie in wait to ambush federal agents in Texas? Not once but twice. New weapons, new tactical equipment purchased by someone. Five Texas police officers ambushed and killed a few years ago by BLM supporters in a parking garage. Trans activists invading classrooms and slaughtering children? You won't admit to this and I didn't even mention Bernie supporters trying to mass murder GOP politicians. If I had the time I could write for hours but you'll fall back on myth; Republicans hate this group or that group. There is no hate, just a recognition that you're wrong, ineffective, or insane.

Let’s think through your argument Schwartzer. You claim that the left is violent because of a relatively small number of violent acts committed against the government. That’s just hogwash. Claiming that is like saying that all conservatives are racist and radical militia members because of the January 6th riots.

I truly think that we have more to fear from the militarization of the police forces in our country than the breakdown of society. I remember my Grandma stocking up on beans and bullets right before Y2K. Had barrels of supplies buried in the backyard. Things kept right on going then and they will keep right on going now.

I do believe however that Trump and Stephen Miller are purposely trying to make the citizenry afraid of the federal government. Maybe if they followed the law and stopped trying to intimidate people some of the violence you’re afraid of would subside.

[Lantern2814]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

I thought this was about the posting of Hannity and Rush and other hate spewers' needing a protection group?

I guess if I was the mouthpiece of a forum watched nationally, and was on the verge of spewing negative hate filled rants about people, denigrating them, vilifying them, then yes, I would likely get some ppl who would be angry enough to act out. But that doesn't stop these ppl. The hate is the reason they are popular. It allows folks who are 'a'kin', or same minded to get riled up and create a unity of hate.

So the question of what came first- the racist or hate-filled tropes or the results of people getting pissed off about being called things that they are not?

plant potatoes, you get potatoes. Not all that hard to see where all that was heading anyway. Besides that- the pre-planning of the sermons', the daily and often hourly bashing by Hannity's team of writers, and his guests that are there not to offer a differing viewpoint, but to solidify his hatred and justification, are all in alignment to do one thing.

GASLIGHT


That's one thing you don't see on liberal media like that. There is often identification of absurdities, or lies, or the actions that just don't make sense such as Trumps nominees', but never the vitriol that comes out of the entertainers at FOX n Fuckers. These people wear crosses around their necks, but are not at all like how the old saying of WWJD. They get their ratings, and shows based on who can engage an audience and create more "clicks and watches", and its' always based on being gaslit. Always.

Noted that you're okay with death threats and violence by the left. Not really a surprise since leftists can't handle truth. The only gaslighting is by YOU and YOUR side ridiculously claiming that violence is justified because "orange man bad". Also noted you give a pass to the liars, racists, and traitors from CNN and MSNBC.

[Schwarzer Ritter]

Silence is Violence.
See something, say something.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Pick one txdot, all of them apply to you.

"relatively small numbers" do you have macular degeneration?

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

Silence is Violence.
See something, say something.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Pick one txdot, all of them apply to you.

"relatively small numbers" do you have macular degeneration?

The population of the United States is getting close to 350,000,000 individuals. 350 million. The amount of political violence on both sides is minuscule in comparison.

Maybe I should have said relatively minuscule numbers. You’re letting your fear override your common sense.

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

The population of the United States is getting close to 350,000,000 individuals. 350 million. The amount of political violence on both sides is minuscule in comparison.

Maybe I should have said relatively minuscule numbers. You’re letting your fear override your common sense.

To those getting robbed, mugged, car jacked and murdered, that 350,000,000 number means nothing.

Even Morning Joe’s Joe Scarborough admits he will not walk more than two blocks after dark in DC.

I am sure it is roving gangs of MAGA that has everybody in fear of the streets.

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

You guys left out Jan 6. I think I’d call that violent. And Charlottesville a few years prior. If you somehow think the right is nonviolent you’ve surely fooled yourself.

Both of those events have been dissected on this forum already.

Regarding Jan 6th: In my view, there is no comparison in terms of the level of violence or the actual manifestation of whatever violent acts were committed on with the large scale of the repeated violent destruction associated with the George Floyd protest.

And more importantly, the amount of support for those acts of violence were whole heartedly supported bye prominent progressive politicians; supported in thought, word and deed.