Operation coast to coast

[Action&Reaction]

Austin just netted 60+ arrests in Chinese massage parlors. At least one case does sound like legit trafficking. Crazy world.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=15...LmNvbVwvIn0%3D

(Edit to post this is an adult board 18+)

[TinMan]

I’ve noticed an Austin-Dallas connection with some AMPs in my brief time back in the scene.

[haskellham]

Good on the PD for uncovering an actual case of trafficking. Living at the massage parlor doesn't necessarily indicate trafficking though, some of the reviewed AMPs here have masseuses that live at the parlor, and those women certainly weren't trafficked from what they've told me.

[TinMan]

Take this to the bank: prostitutes lie, especially about their management situation. They do so convincingly, and you should accept the fact that only on rare occasions will you learn the truth, usually from court records.

[london2012]

I haven't seen anyone working younger than 25 yo


Wonder if it's a provider's kid just happen to be on the premise.

[Ralph Fults]

Originally Posted by london2012

I haven't seen anyone working younger than 25 yo

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Prolly one of the studio promoters is working for ICE, you know how bad they are with ages.

[majorhavok]

30-35 is the perfect range. i am not here to teach, but to be schooled :-)

[TruthSayer]

Originally Posted by TinMan

Take this to the bank: prostitutes lie, especially about their management situation. They do so convincingly, and you should accept the fact that only on rare occasions will you learn the truth, usually from court records.

I know this for a fact. They live double, triple lives and the lies are so interwoven they can't even keep up. It's crazy, if only you guys knew the behind the scenes stuff, it would completely change how you hobby.

[haskellham]

Originally Posted by TruthSayer

I know this for a fact. They live double, triple lives and the lies are so interwoven they can't even keep up. It's crazy, if only you guys knew the behind the scenes stuff, it would completely change how you hobby.

Can't just say that and leave us hanging, share the juicy deets!

[purplepatch]

Originally Posted by haskellham

Good on the PD for uncovering an actual case of trafficking. Living at the massage parlor doesn't necessarily indicate trafficking though, some of the reviewed AMPs here have masseuses that live at the parlor, and those women certainly weren't trafficked from what they've told me.

If they live at the parlor, it's very likely they are trafficked. Do you really think they would tell you if they were? If someone has taken their passport, coerced them into sex work, controls if they ever get to go home again, possibly made threats against their family... do you really think she's gonna tell you anything?

Let me ask you this - how does a lady in her 40's from China, who speaks very little English, end up in the U.S. living in a massage parlor, jerking dudes off 7 days a week?

You know the answer as well as I do. And so does everybody else. Human trafficking.

If you go to those places, that's what you're supporting.

[purplepatch]

[QUOTE=london2012;1063914236] I haven't seen anyone working younger than 25 yo


(Edit - adult board 18+) - staff

[haskellham]

Originally Posted by purplepatch

If they live at the parlor, it's very likely they are trafficked. Do you really think they would tell you if they were? If someone has taken their passport, coerced them into sex work, controls if they ever get to go home again, possibly made threats against their family... do you really think she's gonna tell you anything?

Let me ask you this - how does a lady in her 40's from China, who speaks very little English, end up in the U.S. living in a massage parlor, jerking dudes off 7 days a week?

You know the answer as well as I do. And so does everybody else. Human trafficking.

If you go to those places, that's what you're supporting.

You couldn't be more wrong. I spent several years in china so I speak decent chinese and so I can communicate with them quite well. In the vast majority of cases the girls have some sort of debt, or are divorced single moms without much better job opportunities back home (think former waitresses, supermarket cashiers, or in the debtor cases they borrowed money to open salons/restaurants/shops, a lot of which failed during the pandemic). Since they don't have decent job prospects back home and they hear via their networks that a ton of money can be quickly made via AMPs, a lot of them try to come in via visitor visa, but since those are quota'd by other the others come in through some type of illegal immigration (which they usually pay a "snake head" a smuggling fee for). Once in they try to stay several years to save up as much money as they can before returning home, and in many cases their friends and family back home don't know they're doing massage and just think they're doing waitressing/some type of service work. Did any of these women want to do massage work as their first choice of occupation? Most of them tell me no, but when you're in desperate need of money as a woman there's no faster way to make a ton of money than by selling your body, made even more lucrative by the generous exchange rates between USD and RMB. I couldn't even begin to tell you the number of times I saw an amp lady call a family member back home, and they all think that the girl is working as a receptionist or restaurant worker and had no idea that their relative was actually working in a massage parlor. In the case of the single moms the deadbeat dads have long since ran away so they can't get child support, so in those case the women are earning money here and then sending it back to grandparents/relatives to take care of the kids back in China. Overall the actual amount of forced trafficking in AMPs is extremely low, and what you typically see are the same reasons why American women get into prostitution here: an extreme need for money amidst a dearth of other viable options.

[Action&Reaction]

A Korean spa owner who is semi retired from all the drama recently invited me to her house for a session. She lives in a gorgeous million +home in a great neighborhood. The average Chinese sub amp worker probably makes more in a few months working in a jack shack, than she would working years at home. hadkellham likely hit the nail on the head. I would love to just have multiple girlfriends and be done with hobbying. But that’s not how our society is structured. Until society sheds all of its sexual hangups, AMPs are going to remain a very lucrative business that draw in women looking to make money quickly.

[haskellham]

Further evidence that the vast majority of these sex trafficking claims are made up by law enforcement:

The New York Times and other news outlets, quoting investigators, initially presented the raids as a clear-cut case of sex trafficking. Women at the spas, the media reported, were working “14 hour days” and “sleeping on massage tables.” After “surrendering” their passports to spa owners, they were not allowed to leave the premises without an escort. The “wretched” women in “strip-mall brothels” were not sex workers, but rather “trafficking victims trapped among South Florida’s rich and famous.”

But as police subjected the women to hours-long interrogations, those claims began to unravel. The only woman alleged to have been locked up and forced to live on the premises was Yong Wang, who went by the spa name Nancy. In fact, like many other employees, Nancy had been hired from out of state, so her boss drove her back and forth from the job. When the owner fell ill, Nancy was asked if she wouldn’t mind sleeping at the spa.

The one woman whose passport had allegedly been taken away was Lixia Zhu, or Yoyo. During questioning, the police repeatedly grilled Yoyo, looking for evidence of human trafficking. Did anyone else set up her bank account for her? Did anyone else have access to her account? “Did you feel like you had a choice to come down and work, or did you feel like you were forced to?”

“No one forced me,” Yoyo insisted. It was the terrible winter of 2018 back in Pennsylvania, where she was living at the time, that inspired her to move to Florida.

The interrogator pressed harder. “Did you feel like you had to do this?”

Yoyo shook her head.

“Then why did you do it?”

The inquiry continued along these lines for several more hours. It was somehow easier for law enforcement officers in South Florida to believe that the women had been sold into sex slavery by a global crime syndicate than to acknowledge that immigrant women of precarious status, hemmed in by circumstance, might choose sex work.

Also seems like women who get swept up in these ICE raids get all their hard earned money seized as well. Deported then robbed by the government, jesus that's a double whammy:

While Kraft’s legal team fights to have the charges against him dismissed, one of the alleged sex workers arrested in the raids, Lei Chen, remains in ICE custody. Under civil forfeiture proceedings, the state seized her J.P. Morgan Chase account, which held $2,900.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019...f-robert-kraft

[purplepatch]

Originally Posted by haskellham

You couldn't be more wrong. I spent several years in china so I speak decent chinese and so I can communicate with them quite well. In the vast majority of cases the girls have some sort of debt, or are divorced single moms without much better job opportunities back home (think former waitresses, supermarket cashiers, or in the debtor cases they borrowed money to open salons/restaurants/shops, a lot of which failed during the pandemic). Since they don't have decent job prospects back home and they hear via their networks that a ton of money can be quickly made via AMPs, a lot of them try to come in via visitor visa, but since those are quota'd by other the others come in through some type of illegal immigration (which they usually pay a "snake head" a smuggling fee for). Once in they try to stay several years to save up as much money as they can before returning home, and in many cases their friends and family back home don't know they're doing massage and just think they're doing waitressing/some type of service work. Did any of these women want to do massage work as their first choice of occupation? Most of them tell me no, but when you're in desperate need of money as a woman there's no faster way to make a ton of money than by selling your body, made even more lucrative by the generous exchange rates between USD and RMB. I couldn't even begin to tell you the number of times I saw an amp lady call a family member back home, and they all think that the girl is working as a receptionist or restaurant worker and had no idea that their relative was actually working in a massage parlor. In the case of the single moms the deadbeat dads have long since ran away so they can't get child support, so in those case the women are earning money here and then sending it back to grandparents/relatives to take care of the kids back in China. Overall the actual amount of forced trafficking in AMPs is extremely low, and what you typically see are the same reasons why American women get into prostitution here: an extreme need for money amidst a dearth of other viable options.

Dude, this isn't the take you think it is. You literally just described human trafficking.

• Has a debt to pay
• Hears about lucrative opportunities
• Undocumented, smuggled into the country illegally
• Learns the job is sex work
• Unable to communicate effectively
• Lies to family out of shame

Read between the lines dude. You think just because you can speak a little Chinese that means something? For all they know, you could be part of the organization testing them to see if they'll talk. Hell, the fact that you speak Chinese at all could make them trust you even less. Regardless, your anecdotal experiences don't invalidate long standing statistical data that says, contrary to your claims, a large number of these women are victims of trafficking. And it's been happening long before the pandemic.

Just because they're not literally being dragged off the street doesn't mean they are acting of their own free will. If someone is broke, in debt, undocumented, and severely limited in her ability to communicate, in a strange country she knows nothing about, if someone tells her - you can either do sex work and have a roof over your head or you can go sleep on the street and almost certainly never see your family again, what real choice does she have? It's coercion through manipulation and desperation.

I can understand why you want to believe otherwise and why you try to rationalize it. It's not an easy thing coming to terms with the fact that you've been complicit in it. But that is the unfortunate reality for anyone who has engaged in sexual acts with women at AMPs. Maybe not 100% of the time but, in most cases, they are victims.