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Originally Posted by BigLouie
He signed an agreement that keeps him out of the hall
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as usual Louie you are wrong. Rose agreed only to a life time ban to baseball, obviously as a manager or coach as his playing days were over by then. the agreement he signed had nothing in it about the HOF. what did happen, is in 1991 the HOF decided not to consider players on the permanently ineligible list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose
"On August 24, 1989, Rose voluntarily accepted a permanent place on baseball's ineligible list.
[21] Rose accepted that there was a factual reason for the ban; in return, Major League Baseball agreed to make no formal finding with regard to the gambling allegations. According to baseball's rules, Rose could apply for reinstatement in one year but
Bart Giamatti said, "There is absolutely no deal for reinstatement. That is exactly what we did not agree to in terms of a fixed number of years."
[22] Rose, with a 412–373 record, was replaced as Reds manager by
Tommy Helms. Rose began therapy with a psychiatrist for treatment of a gambling addiction."
Hall of Fame eligibility
"On February 4, 1991, the Hall of Fame voted formally to exclude individuals on the permanently ineligible list from being inducted into the Hall of Fame by way of the
Baseball Writers Association of America vote (though it was already an "unwritten" rule prior). Rose is the only living member of the ineligible list. Players who were not selected by the BBWAA could be considered by the
Veterans Committee in the first year after they would have lost their place on the Baseball Writers' ballot. Under the Hall's rules, players may appear on the ballot for only fifteen years, beginning five years after they retire. Had he not been banned from baseball, Rose's name could have been on the writers' ballot beginning in 1992 and ending in 2006.
[38] He would have been eligible for consideration by the Veterans Committee in 2007, but did not appear on the ballot.
[39] In 2008 the Veterans Committee barred players and managers on the ineligible list from consideration.
[40]"
that 1991 vote is also the reason shoeless Joe Jackson is not in the HOF. of course Jackson died some 40 years before this new rule and clearly the stigma of the Black sox scandal prevented him from being voted into the HOF during his lifetime.
i find it ironic that the team that "beat" the White Sox in the 1919 World Series was none other than the Cincinnati Reds, Rose's team for most of his career.
i think Rose should be in the HOF, first and foremost due to his accomplishments as a player. but also because he would never have agreed to a permanent ban if he knew it would affect his eligibility to the HOF, which happened 2 years later. he would have taken a ban of .. say 20 or 30 years had he known this new rule would happen. if it had been in place at the time he took his deal, he would have never agreed to a lifetime ban.
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