Prosecutors May Use a Mafia Law Against Donald Trump that Comes With Up To 25 Years in Prison

[Yssup Rider]

Trump is fuckee fuckeed.

But of course, even from jail, his mindless minions will still do his bidding. Just like they did on January 6.

I do like the description the author uses. Quite apropos.




https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021...e-rico-charges

Report: Prosecutors May Use a Mafia Law Against Donald Trump that Comes With Up To 25 Years in Prison
By Bess Levin
May 28, 2021

Karmically, Trump is very screwed and coming back in his next life as a urinal cake. Legally? He might be pretty screwed there, too.

Just how screwed is Donald Trump? From a karmic perspective, let’s put it this way: The guy is coming back in his next life as a urinal cake. And not a nice urinal cake you’d find in the men’s room of a Madison Avenue office building—we‘re talking a truck stop urinal cake that’s seen things a family publication like ours can’t even print. But in this life, from a legal perspective, how screwed is he? On the one hand, he’s yet to actually be charged with a crime. On the other, there are four criminal investigations into him and prosecutors in one of them reportedly took the major step of a convening a grand jury to hear evidence and potentially come back with indictments. And according to experts, the kind of charges they’re likely considering come with a prison sentence of up to 25 years. As in two-and-a-half decades. As in, at the age of 74—75 next month!—Donald Trump could very well die in prison. And what a crying shame that would be!

Politico reports that former prosecutors and defense attorneys believe that Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. could be exploring the possibility of arguing that Trump‘s entire business empire was a corrupt enterprise under a New York law known as “little RICO,” which was modeled after the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, originally used to crack down on the mafia. “I’m sure they’re thinking about that,” longtime Manhattan defense attorney Robert Anello told reporters Josh Gerstein and Betsy Woodruff Swan. “No self-respecting state white-collar prosecutor would forgo considering the enterprise corruption charge.” The state law can be used with proof of as few as three crimes involving a business or other enterprise and carries a minimum mandatory sentence of one to three years—and a maximum term of up to 25. “It’s a very serious crime,” said Michael Shapiro, a defense attorney who used to prosecute corruption cases in New York. “Certainly, there are plenty of things an organization or business could do to run afoul of enterprise corruption, if they’re all done with the purpose of enhancing the revenue of the enterprise illegally…it’s an umbrella everything else fits under.”

Per Politico:

Vance’s team has reportedly examined a wide range of Trump and Trump Organization activities, including whether Trump aides knowingly submitted inflated real estate valuations to lenders and insurance companies while understating values for tax purposes, as The New York Times has detailed. Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen made similar claims during House testimony in 2019 and has been cooperating with Vance’s office after serving time in federal prison on several charges.

Prosecutors are reportedly eyeing several properties in their probe of potential financial wrongdoing, including Trump’s Seven Springs Estate in Westchester County, as CNBC has reported. New York Attorney General Letitia James, who recently agreed to coordinate her efforts with Vance’s, has also been examining valuations of Trump Tower in Chicago and Trump National Golf Club Los Angeles, according to a court filing last year. The district attorney’s office has also examined financial payments made during the 2016 campaign to two women in bids to keep stories about alleged sexual encounters with Trump from going public. Lawyers said alternative explanations given for the payments could violate New York laws against making false entries in business records.

Still, not all attorneys are convinced that trying to claim Trump’s entire business empire is a criminal enterprise is a great idea. “Can you imagine a defense attorney standing up and saying: ‘Are you saying the whole Donald Trump enterprise is a criminal organization?’” asked former Manhattan D.A. prosecutor Jeremy Saland. According to Saland, the best thing for prosecutors to do would be to file specific charges on issues like business or tax fraud. “Why overcharge and complicate something that could be fairly simple?” he asked. “Why muddy up the water? Why give a defense attorney something that could confuse a jury and be able to crow that they beat a charge in a motion to dismiss?” As Saland also pointed out, the penalties for crimes like massive tax fraud are similar to those for enterprise corruption, i.e. Trump could still go away for a number of years, if convicted.

As for the news of Vance’s office convening a grand jury, other experts say it will almost certainly result in indictments. “The impaneling of one of these grand juries nearly always means that the D.A. has at least tentatively decided to present at least some charges to the grand jury for its consideration of an indictment or indictments. Typically, the exact contours of what those charges are, against whom, and what they will look like is not decided until much later in the long-term grand jury’s life,” Daniel Alonso, who served as chief assistant district attorney under Vance, told Politico. And in Shapiro’s experience, the grand jury will almost always agree with prosecutors on charges. “I was a special prosecutor. I presented lots of cases to lots of special grand juries,” Shapiro said. “The prosecutors work together with the grand jury, day to day.… The natural thing that happens is everyone gets the idea we’re all on the same team. Ultimately, the grand jury will do what the prosecutors asks them to do.… If at the end of a number of months, this grand jury is asked to bring charges against Trump and others, they’ll do it—999 times out of 1,000 they do it.”

Trump Organization attorneys did not respond to Politico’s request for comment. Trump, on numerous occasions, has claimed Vance’s investigation is a “witch hunt,” and, most recently, “an affront to the almost 75 million voters who supported me in the Presidential Election.”

[bambino]

Is this another Russian Collusion thread? These people are desperate. Vance will go to jail before Trump.

[Yssup Rider]

Wait for it ...

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Trump is fuckee fuckeed.

But of course, even from jail, his mindless minions will still do his bidding. Just like they did on January 6.

I do like the description the author uses. Quite apropos.




https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021...e-rico-charges

Report: Prosecutors May Use a Mafia Law Against Donald Trump that Comes With Up To 25 Years in Prison
By Bess Levin
May 28, 2021

Karmically, Trump is very screwed and coming back in his next life as a urinal cake. Legally? He might be pretty screwed there, too.

Just how screwed is Donald Trump? From a karmic perspective, let’s put it this way: The guy is coming back in his next life as a urinal cake. And not a nice urinal cake you’d find in the men’s room of a Madison Avenue office building—we‘re talking a truck stop urinal cake that’s seen things a family publication like ours can’t even print. But in this life, from a legal perspective, how screwed is he? On the one hand, he’s yet to actually be charged with a crime. On the other, there are four criminal investigations into him and prosecutors in one of them reportedly took the major step of a convening a grand jury to hear evidence and potentially come back with indictments. And according to experts, the kind of charges they’re likely considering come with a prison sentence of up to 25 years. As in two-and-a-half decades. As in, at the age of 74—75 next month!—Donald Trump could very well die in prison. And what a crying shame that would be!

Politico reports that former prosecutors and defense attorneys believe that Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. could be exploring the possibility of arguing that Trump‘s entire business empire was a corrupt enterprise under a New York law known as “little RICO,” which was modeled after the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, originally used to crack down on the mafia. “I’m sure they’re thinking about that,” longtime Manhattan defense attorney Robert Anello told reporters Josh Gerstein and Betsy Woodruff Swan. “No self-respecting state white-collar prosecutor would forgo considering the enterprise corruption charge.” The state law can be used with proof of as few as three crimes involving a business or other enterprise and carries a minimum mandatory sentence of one to three years—and a maximum term of up to 25. “It’s a very serious crime,” said Michael Shapiro, a defense attorney who used to prosecute corruption cases in New York. “Certainly, there are plenty of things an organization or business could do to run afoul of enterprise corruption, if they’re all done with the purpose of enhancing the revenue of the enterprise illegally…it’s an umbrella everything else fits under.”

Per Politico:

Vance’s team has reportedly examined a wide range of Trump and Trump Organization activities, including whether Trump aides knowingly submitted inflated real estate valuations to lenders and insurance companies while understating values for tax purposes, as The New York Times has detailed. Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen made similar claims during House testimony in 2019 and has been cooperating with Vance’s office after serving time in federal prison on several charges.

Prosecutors are reportedly eyeing several properties in their probe of potential financial wrongdoing, including Trump’s Seven Springs Estate in Westchester County, as CNBC has reported. New York Attorney General Letitia James, who recently agreed to coordinate her efforts with Vance’s, has also been examining valuations of Trump Tower in Chicago and Trump National Golf Club Los Angeles, according to a court filing last year. The district attorney’s office has also examined financial payments made during the 2016 campaign to two women in bids to keep stories about alleged sexual encounters with Trump from going public. Lawyers said alternative explanations given for the payments could violate New York laws against making false entries in business records.

Still, not all attorneys are convinced that trying to claim Trump’s entire business empire is a criminal enterprise is a great idea. “Can you imagine a defense attorney standing up and saying: ‘Are you saying the whole Donald Trump enterprise is a criminal organization?’” asked former Manhattan D.A. prosecutor Jeremy Saland. According to Saland, the best thing for prosecutors to do would be to file specific charges on issues like business or tax fraud. “Why overcharge and complicate something that could be fairly simple?” he asked. “Why muddy up the water? Why give a defense attorney something that could confuse a jury and be able to crow that they beat a charge in a motion to dismiss?” As Saland also pointed out, the penalties for crimes like massive tax fraud are similar to those for enterprise corruption, i.e. Trump could still go away for a number of years, if convicted.

As for the news of Vance’s office convening a grand jury, other experts say it will almost certainly result in indictments. “The impaneling of one of these grand juries nearly always means that the D.A. has at least tentatively decided to present at least some charges to the grand jury for its consideration of an indictment or indictments. Typically, the exact contours of what those charges are, against whom, and what they will look like is not decided until much later in the long-term grand jury’s life,” Daniel Alonso, who served as chief assistant district attorney under Vance, told Politico. And in Shapiro’s experience, the grand jury will almost always agree with prosecutors on charges. “I was a special prosecutor. I presented lots of cases to lots of special grand juries,” Shapiro said. “The prosecutors work together with the grand jury, day to day.… The natural thing that happens is everyone gets the idea we’re all on the same team. Ultimately, the grand jury will do what the prosecutors asks them to do.… If at the end of a number of months, this grand jury is asked to bring charges against Trump and others, they’ll do it—999 times out of 1,000 they do it.”

Trump Organization attorneys did not respond to Politico’s request for comment. Trump, on numerous occasions, has claimed Vance’s investigation is a “witch hunt,” and, most recently, “an affront to the almost 75 million voters who supported me in the Presidential Election.”

This is the kind of stuff "Bullshit" is made of, lol.

[Tiny]

Here's the meat of it, from Yssup's article, that he "knowingly submitted inflated real estate valuations to lenders and insurance companies while understating values for tax purposes." I'd be very surprised if Trump hadn't done that. Half of the posters here would be tempted to do the same for real estate they own.

The facts aren't out yet, but Trump probably shouldn't go to jail for this, assuming he's guilty. Should he be fined? Hell yes. How about probation? Possibly, I don't know. But not jail.

But given that you've got Democratic Party prosecutors in a strongly Democratic state pursuing him, he may get jail time. That would be bad. This is the United States of America, not some banana republic. We don't go locking up ex-presidents for political reasons.

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[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by Tiny

This is the United States of America, not some banana republic. We don't go locking up ex-presidents for political reasons.

No we lock them up for committing crimes. If he was a criminal he should be treated like any people before him that committed bank and tax fraud. Lots of people go to jail for lying on their taxes and committing fraud. The fact that he was a president doesn’t mean he should get a pass.

Maybe he shouldn’t have cheated on his taxes to tune of 10s of millions of dollars over decades. Maybe he shouldn’t have committed bank fraud?

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

No we lock them up for committing crimes. If he was a criminal he should be treated like any people before him that committed bank and tax fraud. Lots of people go to jail for lying on their taxes and committing fraud. The fact that he was a president doesn’t mean he should get a pass.

Maybe he shouldn’t have cheated on his taxes to tune of 10s of millions of dollars over decades. Maybe he shouldn’t have committed bank fraud?

Zero proof only allegations! Trumps numbers add up here!
No fraud or cheating.

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[gnadfly]

Mods, please combine YR's "Trump is going to jail" threads. Thanks.