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Old 06-30-2025, 08:53 PM   #1
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Default Top economist who previously sounded the alarm on tariffs sees a possible scenario where Trump ‘outsmarted all of us’

Top economist who previously sounded the alarm on tariffs sees a possible scenario where Trump ‘outsmarted all of us’

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/t...170622258.html


  • Torsten Sløk, chief economist at Apollo Global Management, laid out a potential scenario where President Donald Trump’s tariffs are extended long enough to ease economic uncertainty while also providing a significant bump to federal revenue. That comes as the 90-day pause on Trump’s “reciprocal tariffs” is nearing an end.
Businesses and consumers remain in limbo over what will happen next with President Donald Trump’s tariffs, but a top economist sees a way to leave them in place and still deliver a “victory for the world.”


In a note on Saturday titled “Has Trump Outsmarted Everyone on Tariffs?”, Apollo Global Management Chief Economist Torsten Sløk laid out a scenario that keeps tariffs well below Trump’s most aggressive rates long enough to ease uncertainty and avoid the economic harm that comes with it.



“Maybe the strategy is to maintain 30% tariffs on China and 10% tariffs on all other countries and then give all countries 12 months to lower non-tariff barriers and open up their economies to trade,” he speculated.


That comes as the 90-day pause on Trump’s “reciprocal tariffs,” which triggered a massive selloff on global markets in April, is nearing an end early next month.


The temporary reprieve was meant to give the U.S. and its trade partners time to negotiate deals. But aside from an agreement with the U.K. and another short-term deal with China to step back from prohibitively high tariffs, few others have been announced.


Meanwhile, negotiations are ongoing with other top trading partners. Trump administration officials have been saying for weeks that the U.S. is close to reaching deals.



On Saturday, Sløk said extending the deadline one year would give other countries and U.S. businesses more time to adjust to a “new world with permanently higher tariffs.” An extension would also immediately reduce uncertainty, giving a boost to business planning, employment, and financial markets.


“This would seem like a victory for the world and yet would produce $400 billion of annual revenue for US taxpayers,” he added. “Trade partners will be happy with only 10% tariffs and US tax revenue will go up. Maybe the administration has outsmarted all of us.”


Sløk’s speculation is notable as he previously sounded the alarm on Trump’s tariffs. In April, he warned tariffs have the potential to trigger a recession by this summer.


Also in April, before the U.S. and China reached a deal to temporarily halt triple-digit tariffs, he said the trade war between the two countries would pummel American small businesses.



More certainty on tariffs would give the Federal Reserve a clearer view on inflation as well. For now, most policymakers are in wait-and-see mode, as tariffs are expected to have stagflationary effects. But a split has emerged.


Fed Governor Christopher Waller said Friday that economic data could justify lower interest rates as early as next month, expecting only a one-off impact from tariffs. But San Francisco Fed President Mary Daly also said Friday a rate cut in the fall looks more appropriate, rather than a cut in July.




Still, Sløk isn’t alone in wondering whether Trump’s tariffs may not be as harmful to the economy and financial markets as feared.


Chris Harvey, Wells Fargo Securities’ head of equity strategy, expects tariffs to settle in the 10%-12% range, low enough to have a minimal impact, and sees the S&P 500 soaring to 7,007, making him Wall Street’s biggest bull.


He added that it’s still necessary to make progress on trade and reach deals with big economies like India, Japan and the EU. That way, markets can focus on next year, rather near-term tariff impacts.


“Then you can start to extrapolate out,” he told CNBC last month. “Then the market starts looking through things. They start looking through any sort of economic slowdown or weakness, and then we start looking to ’26 not at ’25.”


This story was originally featured on Fortune.com
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... Trump outsmarted all of THEM.

We on the MAGA side surely EXPECTED President Trump's tariff gambits
would ultimately succeed. ... ... ... WINNING! ...

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I guess we'll see. The markets have been fairly forgiving to the nonsense so far. We'll see how the holidays shake out.



I mentioned in another thread about getting an order cancelled because lack of container ships from China. That was for some off grid power, I was ordering 1200 amp hours of lithium batteries, total cost would have been about 1500. Battle Born is an American manufacturer, they want 750 for 100 amp hours. So before any of you financial genius' scream just buy American, you go and convince my employer to give me a 600% raise and I will. Oh, and I'll need that 6x raise while NOT raising my current expenses.
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Here we go again.

We blow-bliterated Iran, brought peace to Africa, stopped the was in Gaza (oops), and the market is doing great again.

Of course it’s the perfect time for Trump to start fucking with our allies some more. He’s a bully and better get his licks in now, because come next year, the Congress will change hands and put an end to this chaos.

To the story, a possible scenario is akin to a concept of a plan.

Trump is incapable of outsmarting anyone … OK, half of anyone.

BAAAAABAAAAABAAAAAAAAAAA
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"seeing a possible scenario......"


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Yeah...

Meanwhile, there was his other "scenario"...

"Sløk’s speculation is notable as he previously sounded the alarm on Trump’s tariffs. In April, he warned tariffs have the potential to trigger a recession by this summer.


Also in April, before the U.S. and China reached a deal to temporarily halt triple-digit tariffs, he said the trade war between the two countries would pummel American small businesses."


So he was wrong then? But now...he MIGHT be right?

Fuck this guy.

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Yeah...

Meanwhile, there was his other "scenario"...

"Sløk’s speculation is notable as he previously sounded the alarm on Trump’s tariffs. In April, he warned tariffs have the potential to trigger a recession by this summer.


Also in April, before the U.S. and China reached a deal to temporarily halt triple-digit tariffs, he said the trade war between the two countries would pummel American small businesses."


So he was wrong then? But now...he MIGHT be right?

Fuck this guy.

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amusing two months ago you agreed with this guy that Trumps tariffs would crash the world economy. did that happen?


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So he was wrong then? But now...he MIGHT be right?

Fuck this guy.

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amusing two months ago you agreed with this guy that Trumps tariffs would crash the world economy. did that happen?


bahahaha
Show me these words you are putting in my mouth.

I'm getting damn sick of this.

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