Can't say 1,524,481 out loud, but wants to defund Education

[onawbtngr546]

[oldman2525]

I think greene and aoc are secretly sisters at least mentally lol
Both would do better by shutting their mouths because usually what comes out is horseshit

As far as the dept of education, look at the stats of our children vs other countries. No child left behind is a joke and so is our teaching system. Plenty of reasons to let the states handle it or privatize the system

[onawbtngr546]

Originally Posted by chizzy

No child left behind is a joke and so is our teaching system. Plenty of reasons to let the states handle it or privatize the system

I agree that the no child left behind puts the majority at a disadvantage, but how do you think putting education in the hands of a private company, with their own agenda, is any better?

They are already trying to teach nonsense and banning books in Florida.


If we privatize education, wouldn't that be even worse? Why properly educate children if you just want to curate a generation of wage slaves?


Privatize education is one step closer to privatizing everything else. Company towns where the place you worked for owned your home and you rented it from your job. The company owned the local store, so you spend the money you earn at your job at your job's store.. Privatizing everything, starting with education, leads to the rich getting richer and the poor being kept poor

[Jacuzzme]

They’re banning child porn in Florida schools, only a sick fuck would disagree. I’d post images from some, but it’d get me tossed off the site. Let that sink in. Posting pics from a book democrats want to keep in grade schools would get one tossed off a hooker forum.

Private schools aren’t better, they’re WAY better. The federal government has no business running their indoctrination centers masquerading as education. There’s no right to free k-12, it’s the parent’s responsibility.

[Smarty1]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

I agree that the no child left behind puts the majority at a disadvantage, but how do you think putting education in the hands of a private company, with their own agenda, is any better?

They are already trying to teach nonsense and banning books in Florida.


If we privatize education, wouldn't that be even worse? Why properly educate children if you just want to curate a generation of wage slaves?


Privatize education is one step closer to privatizing everything else. Company towns where the place you worked for owned your home and you rented it from your job. The company owned the local store, so you spend the money you earn at your job at your job's store.. Privatizing everything, starting with education, leads to the rich getting richer and the poor being kept poor

Who said anything about privatizing, although a government-funded, privately operated system for education could be promising. Having multiple private entities compete for students could lead to a better focus on student outcomes than the current system. Take the way the schools handled things during the pandemic as a recent example. Schools shut down way too long and failed our students. I can guarantee you that given options for in-person learning, most parents would have gladly opted in. Having remote learning options available for those who wanted them would also have been possible with such a model. A one size fits all approach is avoided by having private operation of education.

But that’s a digression. Nobody on this thread (prior to my post above) mentioned privatization. That is admittedly a more debatable idea. Our Constitution has a pesky Tenth Amendment as part of the Bill of Rights. This amendment says that any power not granted to the federal government by the Constitution is reserved to the states or the people. I have read the Constitution from beginning to end; there is no language in it that grants control of education to the federal government. Therefore that control should be left to state and local governments. That certainly is superior to federal control since it can also avoid one size fits all policies. A rural school in Mississippi has vastly different challenges and needs than an inner city school in Los Angeles. Why should the same policies apply to both? Giving control to state and local governments allows both schools to better serve their students.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

... how do you think putting education in the hands of a private company, with their own agenda, is any better?

The only "agenda" most charter schools have is achieving academic excellence, as measured by student test scores and proficiency in basic learning skills such as math, reading and science.

It's already been shown time & time again that charter schools deliver BETTER outcomes. So your question has been resoundingly answered.

[snoopy75]

Defunding education and defunding the useless education department are two different things, chief.

[anmar85]

Pretty wild that we're talking about how privatizing the school system, or breaking it up will somehow make it better when the top 10 school systems in the world are all nationalized public schooling. But I guess we ARE the US, so we're just so special and different than everyone else.

[Smarty1]

We ARE different from most other countries. Most other countries are unitary states with a smaller and much more homogeneous population. The US is a federated nation by design, not a unitary one. Did you ever wonder why the subdivisions of most countries are provinces, districts, departments, and so on, whereas our sub national divisions are states? A state is a sovereign entity - it has authority to govern on its own, not derived from a higher government. The federal government actually derives its authority from the states - the states agreed to give up certain powers that sovereign states normally have to the federal government. This is outlined in our Constitution.

Enough theory. Being a large, diverse country makes things different. I have no idea what the methodology was that was used for the rankings you refer to, nor donI know which countries are highly ranked. A country like, say Liechtenstein, is a much different animal from the US. (In terms of size, population etc. it actually would be much more comparable to a US state).

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Smarty1

Who said anything about privatizing, although a government-funded, privately operated system for education could be promising. Having multiple private entities compete for students could lead to a better focus on student outcomes than the current system. Take the way the schools handled things during the pandemic as a recent example. Schools shut down way too long and failed our students. I can guarantee you that given options for in-person learning, most parents would have gladly opted in. Having remote learning options available for those who wanted them would also have been possible with such a model. A one size fits all approach is avoided by having private operation of education.

But that’s a digression. Nobody on this thread (prior to my post above) mentioned privatization. That is admittedly a more debatable idea. Our Constitution has a pesky Tenth Amendment as part of the Bill of Rights. This amendment says that any power not granted to the federal government by the Constitution is reserved to the states or the people. I have read the Constitution from beginning to end; there is no language in it that grants control of education to the federal government. Therefore that control should be left to state and local governments. That certainly is superior to federal control since it can also avoid one size fits all policies. A rural school in Mississippi has vastly different challenges and needs than an inner city school in Los Angeles. Why should the same policies apply to both? Giving control to state and local governments allows both schools to better serve their students.

This. Seems the OP like most leftists likes to ignore the constitution. Either that or deliberately misinterpret what was proposed. There is no good reason for a Federal Department of education. That role belongs to the state.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by lustylad

The only "agenda" most charter schools have is achieving academic excellence, as measured by student test scores and proficiency in basic learning skills such as math, reading and science.

It's already been shown time & time again that charter schools deliver BETTER outcomes. So your question has been resoundingly answered.

Universal school choice is needed. There are suitable public schools who spend more per pupil than private schools while doing g a far worse job.

Fund students, let them use the money to attend the school they desire, no matter if its private or public. Make public schools compete and you improve outcomes

[onawbtngr546]

Think of it from the view of the state.


Should the state fund the schools, or should they fund big industry who line the pockets of the state's politicians? From a capitalist standpoint, fuck the schools. More money for the people in charge is always the way things should go. Just sign a bill letting a big company build a giant industrial plant in the state. Don't fund the schools, you don't need to have highly educated workers in the plant. Keep the population dumb, keep them ignorant and happy. Censor the internet and what they teach in schools, and you have a nice, lobotomized working class population to work for minimum wage at your plant, while they live and rent your apartments, while they shop and spend their meager paycheck at the supermarkets that you own. It's a perfect plan


It's nearly like China.