Good for Trump!

[Tiny]

President Trump is threatening to withdraw U.S. support from Israel if Netanyahu's government doesn't stop the killing in Gaza. Furthermore he's fed up with the $4 billion in aid the U.S. sends Israel every year. He's started negotiations with Iran about its nuclear program and sounds upbeat about that. And admittedly while he hasn't brought peace to Ukraine, at least unlike Biden and European leaders, he's trying.

Will he be successful in these endeavors? Well, probably not in all three. But if he succeeds in even one, maybe he really will deserve a Nobel Peace Prize. And if the world becomes a safer place, that should help with our budget deficits, as we won't have to spend as much on defense.

[txdot-guy]

I have to give kudos to Trump for the attempt but I give it long odds that he’ll be successful in any of these situations. Iran, Palestine, Israel have been in the middle of an ongoing crisis for generations. The situation in Ukraine is not any better.

I really hope that the world gains some kind of peace in these regions but the chances of Trump getting an award for it are likely to be posthumous.

People dislike Trump so much that it will take years after his death for his accomplishments to be recognized without the hate and resentment overshadowing everything.

[eccieuser9500]

Threats don't mean anything to Bibi. He takes Dumpster's threats as a polite suggestion. I'll be the first to admit wrong if the GOP withdraws aid.

He's not trying shit. Prince MBS is in the driver's seat with peace. If Iran does develop a nuclear program, he can't pull back support. Hello!

Do we want him to succeed and help Iran with Nuclear "Energy"?

[eccieuser9500]

Is he gonna stop supporting Isreal and aid the Iranians?

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Threats don't mean anything to Bibi. He takes Dumpster's threats as a polite suggestion. I'll be the first to admit wrong if the GOP withdraws aid.

He's not trying shit. Prince MBS is in the driver's seat with peace. If Iran does develop a nuclear program, he can't pull back support. Hello!

Do we want him to succeed and help Iran with Nuclear "Energy"?

I believe he screwed up when he withdrew from the treaty with Iran that the Obama administration negotiated. He did it for the same reason he withdrew from NAFTA and replaced it with the USMCA: because it wasn't his treaty. Unfortunately the Iranians weren't willing to play ball with him, like Canada and Mexico were.

If he comes up with something that slows or stops Iran's development of nuclear weapons and and aid to groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, then he'll deserve a lot of brownie points IMO.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I believe he screwed up when he withdrew from the treaty with Iran that the Obama administration negotiated. He did it for the same reason he withdrew from NAFTA and replaced it with the USMCA: because it wasn't his treaty. Unfortunately the Iranians weren't willing to play ball with him, like Canada and Mexico were.

If he comes up with something that slows or stops Iran's development of nuclear weapons and [ ] aid to groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, then he'll deserve a lot of browning points IMO.

While cutting off aid to Isreal? I don't think so. He's not going to stop aid to Isreal, he might get Iran to put a hold on their program until the next administration, but he can't control either . . . at . . . ALL!

He's not a negotiator compared to either.

He need balls to negotiate. Doesn't even have a brain, guts, or a spine.

Balls!

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

While cutting off aid to Isreal? I don't think so. He's not going to stop aid to Isreal, he might get Iran to put a hold on their program until the next administration, but he can't control either . . . at . . . ALL!

He's not a negotiator compared to either.

He need balls to negotiate. Doesn't even have a brain, guts, or a spine.

Balls!

Look at all those trade deals he's negotiating Eccieuser! A lot of negotiators try to come up with win-win situations. Well, Trump's the expert at lose-lose negotiations! Everybody comes out poorer! Except for a select group of Crony Capitalists like Eric Trump (see my post about Vietnam in TxDot's thread).

Trump should write a sequel, the Art of the Fucked Up Deal! And invite the 250 people who buy the most copies of his book to a special dinner at the White House! Hell, I bet he'd make more money than Hunter Biden did with those paintings!

Honestly, back on topic, I do like the way he conducts foreign policy. He tries to keep us out of wars.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Tiny

President Trump is threatening to withdraw U.S. support from Israel if Netanyahu's government doesn't stop the killing in Gaza. Furthermore he's fed up with the $4 billion in aid the U.S. sends Israel every year. He's started negotiations with Iran about its nuclear program and sounds upbeat about that. And admittedly while he hasn't brought peace to Ukraine, at least unlike Biden and European leaders, he's trying.

Will he be successful in these endeavors? Well, probably not in all three. But if he succeeds in even one, maybe he really will deserve a Nobel Peace Prize. And if the world becomes a safer place, that should help with our budget deficits, as we won't have to spend as much on defense.

... You should have quit after posting this, Tiny.
The liberal lads will NEVER give Trump credit for anything.

As you mention - at least Trump is trying to end the wars
and negotiate peace on all fronts.
Which is cause for praise. ...

#### Salty

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Look at all those trade deals he's negotiating Eccieuser!

He tries to keep us out of wars.

Pretty sure that was . . .

sarcasm.

[Yssup Rider]

Netanyahu must be stopped for the sake of all who live in the region.

I fear however that like Putin, Netanyahu is going to tell Trump “sure” and then do whatever the fuck he wants.

Trump will back down again.

Hope this time I’m wrong.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Pretty sure that was . . .
sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Netanyahu must be stopped for the sake of all who live in the region.

I fear however that like Putin, Netanyahu is going to tell Trump “sure” and then do whatever the fuck he wants.

Trump will back down again.

Hope this time I’m wrong.

Actually, for once, it wasn't sarcasm Eccieuser. I do like what he's trying to accomplish, in making the world a less hostile place. Yeah, he wants to spend more on defense than I'd like, but maybe he'll pull off something like Reagan. Many believe high defense spending in the 1980's created a "peace dividend" in the 1990's, when the USA reduced the money it spends on the military with the end of the cold war.

But points well taken, yours and Yssup's. It's interesting how aggressive Trump is in trade negotiations and relations with NATO. While in relations with our "enemies", real or alleged, he comes off as a peacenik. I criticize his approach to the trade wars because I know the results will suck. Foreign policy strategy however is above my paygrade. At least he's trying to resolve conflicts, instead of promoting endless war.

Originally Posted by Salty Again

As you mention - at least Trump is trying to end the wars
and negotiate peace on all fronts.
Which is cause for praise. ...

#### Salty

You said it better than I did Salty.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... You should have quit after posting this, Tiny.
The liberal lads will NEVER give Trump credit for anything.

As you mention - at least Trump is trying to end the wars
and negotiate peace on all fronts.
Which is cause for praise. ...

#### Salty

I have given donny credit in the past. Does it count that I am not a libby?

Let me stroke that fragile ego y'all maggies have. I give kudos to donny for recognizing the guy in Syria.

See. It ain't hard to do that. You can count yourselves liars if someone makes that statement again.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

True. Trump is trying. And failing. Wasn't his campaign promise to end the Ukraine-Russia war on DAY 1? Trump was pissed he didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize during his first term and REALLY wants to win it during his second term. But despite his motivations, I agree with Tiny and Salty that he deserves some credit for trying.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

True. Trump is trying. And failing. Wasn't his campaign promise to end the Ukraine-Russia war on DAY 1? Trump was pissed he didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize during his first term and REALLY wants to win it during his second term. But despite his motivations, I agree with Tiny and Salty that he deserves some credit for trying.

... I surely believe the failing comes from two fronts, mate.

Ukraine and Zelinskyy have been taking in US money
for so long now - they don't wanna end the conflict.

And it's getting rather obvious that Putin is no longer
calling out the shots in Russia, and that he's now
just a figure-head.

So, neither Ukraine or Russia listen to President Trump
and the conflict rages on. ....

##### Salty

[Yssup Rider]

If he woke up tomorrow and fired his entire cabinet, I would applaud him.

Or rescind the pardons against his 1,500 goons he sent to the Capitol to shit in the Speakers death.

Or adhere to the law.

But that’s not gonna happen. And all talk of “giving Trump credit” is an attempt by conservatives to somehow morally justify their fervor for the Second Coming.

This thread isn’t about Trump. It’s about MAGAs who yet fear damnation.