The right thing to do? The wrong way to do it.

[JD Barleycorn]

Today, 15 June, President Obama announced that he was unilaterly going to allow illegal aliens under the age of 30 and over the age of 15 to recieve work permits and remain in the United States if they don't have any felony convictions, a number of misdemeanor convictions, and are "good" citizens.

This "law" is a decision by Obama to NOT enforce a law on the books. The man in charge does not have the luxury of picking and choosing which laws to enforce or to not enforce. Until Obama and Eric Holder showed up. Congress debated this question previously as the "Dream Act" and it was defeated. The democrats did not ask the GOP for input. They were given the choice of taking it or leaving it. They chose to leave it. The Congress has spoken whether you like it or not. This government has three equal branches and not a benevolent dictatorship.

Was it the right thing to do? We need a long term immigration solution that deals border security, criminal illegal aliens, illegal aliens that have been year for some time, have obeyed the laws, and have contributed to society without the misdirection of the left. This is about the law and not a family being torn apart because of illegal actions of the parents. Senator Marco Rubio has been working for many months to craft such legislation and has met nothing but silence from the democratic majority in the Senate and the White House.

Since this is not a real law it can be overturned at anytime. This introduces uncertainty into the lives of many children. Are they legal or are they not?

Shitty work on the part of Obama, poorly thought out plan, unconstiutional, unlawful and if he was truly sincere then he could have had this long ago if he had conferenced with the GOP.

[dilbert firestorm]

Its the GOP's fault!

[i'va biggen]

if congress won't act.and there has been support on both sides why not? It is a political move also it puts a lot of heat on Romney,and garners a lot of support from Latinos..

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by ekim008

if congress won't act.and there has been support on both sides why not? It is a political move also it puts a lot of heat on Romney,and garners a lot of support from Latinos..

Why not? Because it's against the law. Obama does not have the legal (Constitutional) authority to do this. If he is allowed to do get away with this, he's functioning as tyrant not a president.

Why not suspend the next presidential election by executive order? Why not disband the Republican party by executive order? Why not put all the Tea Partiers in internment camps by executive order?

[i'va biggen]

kinda like going to war?

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by ekim008

kinda like going to war?

Civil wars are avoided when both sides abide by civilized codes of behavior. The kind of violence we are witnessing on the left, by the Occupy thugs, could eventually lead to more widespread violence.

As economic conditions worsen, and welfare programs are scaled back, I expect the left is going to get much more violent. I hope it doesn't get out of control.

[trynagetlaid]

I can't believe our government would ever think of taking a 20 or 25 or 30 year old educated and law-abiding person who grew up in this country and drop them off across the border, into a country where they don't even speak the language, with just the shirt on their back and no home to return to. Does anyone have any statistics as to the number of people this has actually been done to? If there's a God in heaven, that number should be quite small, or better yet, zero.

This just gives a million or so young people the right to share in all the freedoms and opportunities the rest of us do, as long as they educate themselves and obey the laws. I have no problem with that at all, and if it couldn't pass Congress, that doesn't surprise me, given the impasse we have witnessed over the last few years. This isn't the first time, and won't be the last, that a President had to issue an Executive Order because the special-interest run Congress couldn't get their shit together.

What I do have a problem with is the tens of millions of uneducated and unemployable African-Americans who have zero respect for the law, and spend their whole lives breeding more welfare babies and working the system. But wait a minute: I'm not allowed to complain about them, because they're American citizens by birthright.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

Civil wars are avoided when both sides abide by civilized codes of behavior. The kind of violence we are witnessing on the left, by the Occupy thugs, could eventually lead to more widespread violence.

As economic conditions worsen, and welfare programs are scaled back, I expect the left is going to get much more violent. I hope it doesn't get out of control.

if congress isn't in session it is legal

[BigLouie]

Here's the question. Do you want people who claw their way up from the bottom, going to school and making something out of their self or do you sit around and accept people whose family for generations has made living on welfare an art form.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by ekim008

if congress isn't in session it is legal

Your ignorance is breathtaking. Obama has already gone on record that he's not legally authorized to do the very thing he just did. Do you think Obama could have implemented Obamacare with an executive order just because Congress wasn't in session? Why not declare himself dictator for life; as long as Congress isn' t in session, it should be ok.

Here's Obama explaining that there are laws on the books that he has no choice but to enforce.

"I just have to continue to say this notion that somehow I can just change the laws unilaterally is just not true. We are doing everything we can administratively. But the fact of the matter is there are laws on the books that I have to enforce. And I think there's been a great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It's just not true" (Open For Discussion Round Table, September 28, 2011

[JD Barleycorn]

Yes, it is true. Our constutional expert Barack Hussein Kardashian, the celebrity in chief, said that he does not have the authority to this alone last year. I guess he has evolved once again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfZ3k...layer_embedded

Hell must have frozen over. I agree with Ekim. We should trade our lazy welfare people for hard working foreigners. I'm even feeling generous, we'll trade TWO for your ONE. This is for a limited time only. Want a welfare state? Then just apply for some lazy multi generational welfare families and we'll take your poor huddle masses. Way to go Ekim for solving this problem.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Yes, it is true. Our constutional expert Barack Hussein Kardashian, the celebrity in chief, said that he does not have the authority to this alone last year. I guess he has evolved once again.

Hell must have frozen over. I agree with Ekim. We should trade our lazy welfare people for hard working foreigners. I'm even feeling generous, we'll trade TWO for your ONE. This is for a limited time only. Want a welfare state? Then just apply for some lazy multi generational welfare families and we'll take your poor huddle masses. Way to go Ekim for solving this problem.

We need to get rid of welfare for able bodied Americans. The welfare parasites would go to work if they had no choice. If they had to pick crops or starve, they'd pick crops. The welfare parasites should be competing with illegal aliens for manual labor jobs.

It's no accident that illegal immigration got far worse after LBJ cranked up the social welfare state. We pay our low skilled people to stay home and watch Oprah.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

We need to get rid of welfare for able bodied Americans. The welfare parasites would go to work if they had no choice. If they had to pick crops or starve, they'd pick crops. The welfare parasites should be competing with illegal aliens for manual labor jobs.

It's no accident that illegal immigration got far worse after LBJ cranked up the social welfare state. We pay our low skilled people to stay home and watch Oprah.

one small problem with that. Oprah retired.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

one small problem with that. Oprah retired.

No not really. She's got her own network on cable. It's a flop; she's losing a fortune. It's projected to lose 142 million this year.

http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next...t-chapter.html

[Sweet Discretion]

Originally Posted by trynagetlaid

I can't believe our government would ever think of taking a 20 or 25 or 30 year old educated and law-abiding person who grew up in this country and drop them off across the border, into a country where they don't even speak the language, with just the shirt on their back and no home to return to. Does anyone have any statistics as to the number of people this has actually been done to? If there's a God in heaven, that number should be quite small, or better yet, zero.

This just gives a million or so young people the right to share in all the freedoms and opportunities the rest of us do, as long as they educate themselves and obey the laws. I have no problem with that at all, and if it couldn't pass Congress, that doesn't surprise me, given the impasse we have witnessed over the last few years. This isn't the first time, and won't be the last, that a President had to issue an Executive Order because the special-interest run Congress couldn't get their shit together.

What I do have a problem with is the tens of millions of uneducated and unemployable African-Americans who have zero respect for the law, and spend their whole lives breeding more welfare babies and working the system. But wait a minute: I'm not allowed to complain about them, because they're American citizens by birthright.

Was it really necessary to single out "African-Americans"? What about the african-americans who are not on welfare, and all the non-african-americans who are?