why are not providers screened?

[barrister]

I love Austin! Been here four years, and came from the frigid Midwest, where family lived for generations.

I do things the old fashioned way, way my Papa taught me. If you have a reputation to protect, and you're not a fool, then know who you're doing business with.

Never use independents for that reason. Do this with a stranger? Get caught? Hidden cameras? Getting ripped-off isn't the worst thing that can happen. A girl or her madam turn rat on you? Blackmail maybe?
Better to avoid crooks, and stupid humiliation, when you can satisfy the urge intelligently.

Get a Sugarbabe. Someone you can trust. Drawbacks though....expensive, "relationship" thing.

For the slam-bam go to a madam, or a service. My Papa showed me this way. Introduce yourself to the manager. Look her/him straight in the eye and offer them your hand to shake. Shake theirs firmly and continue looking at them in the eye. Find out who they are, and what they do, because they know who you are.

Don't do business with low-lifes, crooks, cons, scum-bags, anyone in trouble with the law, or anyone who doesn't want you to know who they are.

This is counter to all that I see here in Austin, and on the internet so far.

Am I wrong?

Why?

[sixxbach]

a couple of valid points but..... my PAPA always told me to never look a gift horse in the mouth....

[Nibbles_n_Licksx]

Hmmm.... Interesting read.... So here goes.... First off i would like to welcome you to the board and Thanks for contributing your statements. Although i would have to strongly disagree with most of what you said but like sixx i can see some points you do have. Lets start with your first questions are providers screened? Well is this the kind of screening your looking for?

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Originally Posted by barrister

I do things the old fashioned way, way my Papa taught me. If you have a reputation to protect, and you're not a fool, then know who you're doing business with.

IM not understanding this part of the question. Talking, and setting up an appointment with the person your gonna see. Verses whoever is setting up appointments at the agency? Can you please tell me what I'm missing here?

Originally Posted by barrister

Never use independents for that reason. Do this with a stranger? Get caught? Hidden cameras? Getting ripped-off isn't the worst thing that can happen. A girl or her madam turn rat on you? Blackmail maybe?
Better to avoid crooks, and stupid humiliation, when you can satisfy the urge intelligently.

Never use independents for what reason? Are you saying that all independents are crooks? I am not going to say all these things don't happen in the hobby. But, Isn't the hobby a risk in a whole? Don't you think an agency girl could do all these horrible things you listed above?

Originally Posted by barrister

Don't do business with low-lifes, crooks, cons, scum-bags, anyone in trouble with the law, or anyone who doesn't want you to know who they are.

There you go with the name calling again Mr. Potty mouth!!

Hope i was able to answer your questions have a nice night.
~Kisses Jen

[GneissGuy]

Barrister, you're right. I suggest you not get involved with us whoremongers and hookers here.

[guest021911]

Originally Posted by GneissGuy

Barrister, you're right. I suggest you not get involved with us whoremongers and hookers here.

That's why I don't see hookers.....I only see providers.......but I am a whoremonger.....it is what it is......

[Budman]

Originally Posted by barrister

I love Austin! Been here four years, and came from the frigid Midwest, where family lived for generations.

I do things the old fashioned way, way my Papa taught me. If you have a reputation to protect, and you're not a fool, then know who you're doing business with.

Never use independents for that reason. Do this with a stranger? Get caught? Hidden cameras? Getting ripped-off isn't the worst thing that can happen. A girl or her madam turn rat on you? Blackmail maybe?
Better to avoid crooks, and stupid humiliation, when you can satisfy the urge intelligently.

Get a Sugarbabe. Someone you can trust. Drawbacks though....expensive, "relationship" thing.

For the slam-bam go to a madam, or a service. My Papa showed me this way. Introduce yourself to the manager. Look her/him straight in the eye and offer them your hand to shake. Shake theirs firmly and continue looking at them in the eye. Find out who they are, and what they do, because they know who you are.

Don't do business with low-lifes, crooks, cons, scum-bags, anyone in trouble with the law, or anyone who doesn't want you to know who they are.

This is counter to all that I see here in Austin, and on the internet so far.

Am I wrong?

Why?

What a bunch of bullshit. I screen every provider I see by reading reviews, PM'ing other hobbyist, checking web sites, ect. As far as knowing who you are doing business with I don't expect a provider to give her real name along with home address and SS number so I can do a back ground check just like I don't provide that info to the providers I see. They screen me by checking my references. A sugar babe is a lot more risky than seeing providers because they most likely have more of your personal info and have the tendency to get more attached monetarily or emotionally. This sets up the blackmail scenario you seem worried about. As far as meeting the owner/manager of an agency that is probably not going to happen. Do you think they have a store front operation that you can walk in off the street and speak to the owner? They want anonymity just like the rest of us. If your way of screening is a firm hand shake and stare down good luck. A lot of people thought Bernie Madoff was a great guy based on his face to face contact. That didn't work out to well.

[Guest062716]

Originally Posted by GneissGuy

Barrister, you're right. I suggest you not get involved with us whoremongers and hookers here.

Excellent Point, GG.


When I do business with an independent, I DO know who I am doing business with. I do look her in the eye, and do better than just shake her hand...LOL.

The marvelous, wonderful thing about our ECCIE family, is that we DO know one another, we DO have reputations..... some good and some not-so-good.

I disagree that our indy providers are not screened. They subject themselves to proof of their legitimacy to the board and continue to subject themselves to proving their service qualities on a daily basis, followed by arguably the most critical of review processes and results posted here for the world to see.

I challenge any business owner or professional to subject themselves to the kind of scrutiny providers go through here, and let us see how long they would stay in business.


Respectfully,

OldSarge

[The_Leopard]

Originally Posted by barrister

I love Austin! Been here four years, and came from the frigid Midwest, where family lived for generations.

I do things the old fashioned way, way my Papa taught me. If you have a reputation to protect, and you're not a fool, then know who you're doing business with.

Never use independents for that reason. Do this with a stranger? Get caught? Hidden cameras? Getting ripped-off isn't the worst thing that can happen. A girl or her madam turn rat on you? Blackmail maybe?
Better to avoid crooks, and stupid humiliation, when you can satisfy the urge intelligently.

Get a Sugarbabe. Someone you can trust. Drawbacks though....expensive, "relationship" thing.

For the slam-bam go to a madam, or a service. My Papa showed me this way. Introduce yourself to the manager. Look her/him straight in the eye and offer them your hand to shake. Shake theirs firmly and continue looking at them in the eye. Find out who they are, and what they do, because they know who you are.

Don't do business with low-lifes, crooks, cons, scum-bags, anyone in trouble with the law, or anyone who doesn't want you to know who they are.

This is counter to all that I see here in Austin, and on the internet so far.

Am I wrong?

Why?

I screen a provider by reading their ad. There is nothing much fancy about it. Unless you are afraid to play and get caught in the action. I always believe in somethings that will turn up. But if you seem to call the people low-lifes, crooks, cons, and scum-bags,

THEN STOP SEARCHING ON BACKPAGE...

You should look on here, but it seems that you are really beating yourself up with all the questions you are asking.

As for a sugarbabe, sometimes that is hard for me to get because I was said to not be a good boyfriend anymore by some of those "hoodrats" you must of had this problem with in Backpage. And those are the few that post backpage ads.

So, my understanding is, you are taking it out on independent providers that you consider "crooks." Then stop hobbying and do something useful like use your left or right hand for the joystick pleasure.

I am sorry for what happened to you. Just live and learn and do not take it out on a community, Civil Barrister.

[barrister]

Sorry but doesn't cut it yet.

We only know each other here by handles, and real personalities are anonymous. Providers here don't want me to know who they really are. I've tried. But they insist on knowing who I am.

Holly smoke! Not suggesting ALL independents are crooks...never said that. All it takes is once....one crooked girl to ruin you're whole life. Why play Russ Roullette when you don't have to. If you want to know who I am why not tell me who you are? Not saying I don't play. Just need to screen you...that's all.

Verified Provider here means she/he has good services, not that a background check
has been done to see if that person is a crook, predator, scumbag or armed robber.

For example....

Started doing business with Wildflowers, which I found on this site. Turned out the owner, calls himself "Max," but doesn't want anyone to know who he really is.

edited out real world information on another eccie member ...... tc2
If someone like that can be a verified provider then what does that tell you?

[78704]

Originally Posted by barrister

If you have a reputation to protect, and you're not a fool, then know who you're doing business with.

Never use independents for that reason.

So this would be your first error, conflating independents with strangers. They live in the same city as you. You can chat with them online, meet them at socials, et cetera.

Do this with a stranger? Get caught? Hidden cameras? Getting ripped-off isn't the worst thing that can happen. A girl or her madam turn rat on you? Blackmail maybe?

This would be your second error, conflating doing it with a stranger with bad consequences; they are possible but not inevitable.

Better to avoid crooks, and stupid humiliation, when you can satisfy the urge intelligently.

You're a crook. You are a criminal committing criminal acts by hobbying.

For the slam-bam go to a madam, or a service. My Papa showed me this way. Introduce yourself to the manager. Look her/him straight in the eye and offer them your hand to shake. Shake theirs firmly and continue looking at them in the eye. Find out who they are, and what they do, because they know who you are.

You can introduce yourself, make eye contact, shake hands, et cetera with an independent too, of course.

Don't do business with low-lifes, crooks, cons, scum-bags, anyone in trouble with the law, or anyone who doesn't want you to know who they are.

You're conflating scofflaws (like you and me) with the privacy minded, and, at the other end, dangerous people; tut.

This is counter to all that I see here in Austin, and on the internet so far.

Never gotten an invitation to a social? I can't imagine why not....

Am I wrong? Why?

Yes you are. One measure of intelligence is the number and quality of distinctions you make. You conflate big categories repeatedly in this post; consider.

[Sensual Sophia]

And if you're worried about criminal prosecution, well Indies who screen don't get arrested very often in Austin. In Wilco, sure, but I haven't read or heard of a case in the last few years where a provider was busted in the Travis County portion of the COA unless they were a street walker or a CL/BP girl who failed to screen. Austin doesn't even have a vice squad and directs its minor efforts on that front towards citizen complaints -- mainly the SW scene in the Rundberg area.

Of all the cases I am aware of in Texas where indies were busted, they didn't even confiscate their computer or attempt to get any information on their clients.

Agencies on the other hand -- well that's a felony case and LE might be more likely to investigate a little further. I still think it's highly unlikely that a hobbyist need worry about an agency. The only agency I know of in Austin that ever had any trouble with the law was when Amazing got busted years ago but their operation was HUGE and spanned multiple cities. Still, overall, I'd say, if LE is going to bother to check computer and phone records to construct a client list, they'd be more interested in doing it to prove a felony than a misdemeanor.

Oh, and P411 is another good source to screen your providers.

And as much as I'm not a fan of Max from Wildflowers, if he started treating his customers badly, he wouldn't have any business. Same with Indies -- they don't last long if they rip people off. I think you can be pretty sure that if you see a provider or use an agency that has dozens of consistently positive reviews with no warnings or mentions of anything shady, that you will be treated well and be safe from anything dangerously criminal.

And for crying out loud -- the vast majority of providers in this town DO NOT require you to reveal your real name or ANY personal information. Most will let you in with two provider references. Some with much less than that. And I'm sure you understand why a provider or agency would rather not give you their real name -- for the same reasons you prefer to remain anonymous.

Try P411. Every member is screened. Saves time. No need to reveal any personal info. Headquartered in Canada where prostitution is decrimininalized so you needn't fear local L.E. getting hold of your information.

Use an untraceable hobby phone and anonymous web based hobby email for all your communication with providers and you should be home free.

[Budman]

I have never had a provider require or even ask for my full name. I'm as anonymous as they are. I get the feeling you are not what/who you claim to be. I don't know of any providers that require the type of info you claim is expected from you. Agencies screen as well and in my experience references are all that is required.

[78704]

So your specific example of a scary person (not an actual incident, of course) is an agent, not an independent, yet you use him as an argument for agencies and against independents? Check your math, bub.

[Libertine]

Budman...There are plenty who "require" not only your first and last name, but verifiable work info as well...I think the point that Barrister is making is that for their own safety the girls want to know as much about us as they can, but as their customers we don't even know their real names. They guard their identities and info, but want to know all about us...In other words "trust me with your info, but I don't trust you with mine".
"Safety" is a 2 way street and I think we can all agree with a providers need for it.They never know for sure who is walking in the door of their incall, or what they might be walking into during an outcall..The same is true for us as their customers though. It works both ways, and I personally refuse to give any info about myself other than my first name untill I'm I'm good and ready to. But that's just me and that's how I roll. If a providers screening standards are too rigid to suit me then I don't even bother trying to see them. They have their rules, and I have mine. The word "discrete" has become a buzzword, is overused and worn out as far as I'm concerned.
I was at a party a year or so ago and ran into a provider that I'd recently seen. She glommed onto me, chatting incessantly and wouldn't get the hint when I kept trying to get away from her...The entire time she was following me around the party I was getting a hole stared through me by her creepy looking boyfriend/friend or whoever he was that she came with..I'm real glad that she knew nothing about me other than my first name...Screening info might be safe with a provider, but there are certainly no guarantees about how safe it is with psycho boyfriends/significant others who could also have access to it.

[The_Leopard]

Originally Posted by barrister

Sorry but doesn't cut it yet.

We only know each other here by handles, and real personalities are anonymous. Providers here don't want me to know who they really are. I've tried. But they insist on knowing who I am.

Holly smoke! Not suggesting ALL independents are crooks...never said that. All it takes is once....one crooked girl to ruin you're whole life. Why play Russ Roullette when you don't have to. If you want to know who I am why not tell me who you are? Not saying I don't play. Just need to screen you...that's all.

Verified Provider here means she/he has good services, not that a background check
has been done to see if that person is a crook, predator, scumbag or armed robber.

For example....

Started doing business with Wildflowers, which I found on this site. Turned out the owner, calls himself "Max," but doesn't want anyone to know who he really is.

If someone like that can be a verified provider then what does that tell you?

If you believe that "Max" is a crook, then ignore it. I don't really deal with Wildflower agencies.

Plus, why would you want to know a private life of women? Oh, is it because it makes the screening on both sides easier than said, "Oh, well what if you have a SO or a boyfriend pimping you?"

Can you please explain to what you mean by your personal experiences? Have you ever been mugged by a bad reviewed provider's SO or pimp?

Have you ever consider trying to get to know the provider by a conversation or just meeting your favorite ATF? If they trust you with their personal life. Sometimes a indy doesn't trust you if you seem a bit untrustworthy.

78704 also stated that you are a criminal because you are hobbying just like us. But, consider this a valuable advice,

If you consider that it's dangerous to book with an agency due to the fear of being robbed, then just quit.

Don't put your fear on any provider or activity that happens outside of the hobbying world because you fear someone like "Max" because of a criminal record.

Plus, Sophia also stated that she never heard of a girl in Austin getting busted by police as in "An independent hobbyist getting arrested by police for soliciting prostitution." The ones that get arrested are most likely the Street Walkers.

You are not seeing the difference between a street walker, a escort provider, and a escort agency. Maybe being a hobbyist is too dangerous for you and I would consider for you to just quit if your spider senses are acting up badly.

Originally Posted by Libertine

Budman...There are plenty who "require" not only your first and last name, but verifiable work info as well...I think the point that Barrister is making is that for their own safety the girls want to know as much about us as they can, but as their customers we don't even know their real names. They guard their identities and info, but want to know all about us...In other words "trust me with your info, but I don't trust you with mine".
"Safety" is a 2 way street and I think we can all agree with a providers need for it.They never know for sure who is walking in the door of their incall, or what they might be walking into during an outcall..The same is true for us as their customers though. It works both ways, and I personally refuse to give any info about myself other than my first name untill I'm I'm good and ready to. But that's just me and that's how I roll. If a providers screening standards are too rigid to suit me then I don't even bother trying to see them. They have their rules, and I have mine. The word "discrete" has become a buzzword, is overused and worn out as far as I'm concerned.
I was at a party a year or so ago and ran into a provider that I'd recently seen. She glommed onto me, chatting incessantly and wouldn't get the hint when I kept trying to get away from her...The entire time she was following me around the party I was getting a hole stared through me by her creepy looking boyfriend/friend or whoever he was that she came with..I'm real glad that she knew nothing about me other than my first name...Screening info might be safe with a provider, but there are certainly no guarantees about how safe it is with psycho boyfriends/significant others who could also have access to it.

Edit: I never had a problem with a psycho boyfriend who kept calling. Like I said, maybe it's the CL/BP girls who seem to have those types. There are a few of the girls here who post on BP/CL but are not at all bad.

Again, it's the "hoodrat providers" you are dealing with. Maybe it's safe not to know the provider's name at all. If you consider just to say your screenname and all. They ask me all the time when I meet them. I have proof, but to make sure you are not a cop or a stalker like some people who will spend their hours stalking a girl after work because he really likes her.

Maybe the problem is the stalkers and LE who invade the girl's privacy just to either arrest her, or rape her, or try to abuse her out of anger. On both sides of the fence it's not a dun deal if you want to know a girl by their personal preference, then ask them the type of questions that doesn't make you seem like a stalker. Just ask these,

Are you single?
Are you a college student?
How old are you (sometimes)?

I ask for age because I do not like seeing 18-21 year old providers or ones who are 18-23. That's just me.

Don't ask these silly questions like,

Do you work besides providing?
Do you have children?
What's your real name?

Because sometimes they see that you are trying to dig too deep and will either damage their personal stuff and all.