Pimps vs Management vs Agencies

[Whispers]

They call themselves all kinds of things but a lot of people use the generic term "Pimp" to describe any person that is promoting a lady engaged in prostitution.

Here are a few questions

1) Where does one term end and the other begin or How would you personally define each role?

2) If a man runs an ad for escorts and a lady responds to that ad and subsequently start seeing guys and giving him a portion of their money, what services should that person be providing to the lady to NOT be considered a Pimp?

3) If a guy offers to set the girl up on ECCIE, creates her account, loads her showcase, posts as if he is her, sends and responds to PMs in order to "screen" for her and then sends her off to meet the guy do you see a problem with that? (Yes I know it is against the rules)

4) Why are some people so dynamically opposed to "Pimps" but OK with an Agency?

[Whispers]

1) Where does one term end and the other begin or How would you personally define each role?

When I hear the word Pimp I picture a guy on a street corner with a few associates and a bunch of girls across the street on another corner. He wants to make sure they are not getting abused. At least not BEFORE they make him his money. He also wants to make sure they are not sluffing off. Actually putting in the hours to make him a living. He loves all of them but shows tough love as well.

I see a Manager as a person that might be involved with 1-3 girls, taking care of their schedules, doing their screening, placing their ads, making sure they know where they are going and who they are seeing.

The Agency takes this Role a step farther with volume, placing wider reaching Ads, often provides an Incall for their use and resolves disputes on their behalf when they arise.



2) If a man runs an ad for escorts and a lady responds to that ad and subsequently start seeing guys and giving him a portion of their money, what services should that person be providing to the lady to NOT be considered a Pimp?

Personally my belief's lie in whatever agreement a lady enters into with some guy/girl is between the two of them and my concerns are simply for the quality of the time she spends with me. As long as I am unaware of the Pimp's involvement, why should I care?


3) If a guy offers to set the girl up on ECCIE, creates her account, loads her showcase, posts as if he is her, sends and responds to PMs in order to "screen" for her and then sends her off to meet the guy do you see a problem with that? (Yes I know it is against the rules)

The obvious is that it IS against the rules. We ALL know however that this happens at times. Personally I would probably be a little embarrassed to find out that some exchange I had with a lady via PM, Email or Text was actually not with her but with someone else representing her. If I KNEW this was occurring I would simply never contact them.

4) Why are some people so dynamically opposed to "Pimps" but OK with an Agency?

I think it has to do with perceived violence and an opinion of a predatory relationship. I'm interested to hear what other's think.

[Qziz]

I'd define a pimp as someone who preys on women and takes the money they earn via intimidation or indoctrination whereas a manager is someone who schedules a provider's sessions, arranges incalls and takes a cut, but the relationship is much more businesslike and open.

I definitely see a problem with a pimp posting pretending to be a provider. There are some providers who are open about managers posting for them, and there are a few managers who pretend to be the provider, and I'm not crazy about that either.

As for why people hate pimps but are OK with agencies... well, it's not a coincidence that most agencies have a woman as their public face even when not really female-owned. A lot of older providers do turn into managers to supplement their income and male hobbyists are generally a lot more accepting of dealing with a female manager.

As for myself I've very rarely used agencies because, well, why? I'd rather the money go to the provider.

[harkontume]

Originally Posted by Whispers

They call themselves all kinds of things but a lot of people use the generic term "Pimp" to describe any person that is promoting a lady engaged in prostitution.

Here are a few questions

1) Where does one term end and the other begin or How would you personally define each role?

Hark: An Agency would have more then one non provider workers.

2) If a man runs an ad for escorts and a lady responds to that ad and subsequently start seeing guys and giving him a portion of their money, what services should that person be providing to the lady to NOT be considered a Pimp?

Hark: Cant happen ,, if a man takes a cut he is a pimp. If he charges upfront for work performed.. he is just... sad.

3) If a guy offers to set the girl up on ECCIE, creates her account, loads her showcase, posts as if he is her, sends and responds to PMs in order to "screen" for her and then sends her off to meet the guy do you see a problem with that? (Yes I know it is against the rules)

Hark: If the guy takes a "cut" then he is a pimp. If he is "just helping" then refer back to ..sad..

4) Why are some people so dynamically opposed to "Pimps" but OK with an Agency?

Hark: Agency is attraction not promotion. Agency one calls in. Agency a provider would be an independent contractor. Pimp a provider is a co dependent needy hooker.

[Qziz]

Let me indulge my inner wonk for a moment (I do have a point, really)

At its best, sites like ECCIE are examples of a transparent economy. (Another real-world example is Amazon, and the habit some have developed of taking a smartphone into a department store, looking up something they've checked out in person, and ordering it via Amazon for 25% less.) We have everything we need to make informed decisions about the value of a service and can act appropriately. Since we do, service providers compete with each other in a positive way, prices tend to be very close to their actual value, and good service is rewarded.

In this world, pimps and similar parasites (and that is really what they are) can't *stand* transparency, because in a transparent economy there is zero need for them. The vast majority of women are quite capable of handling their own scheduling, security, and advertising. The vast majority of men are quite capable of reading reviews and making their own decisions on whom to see.

Thus: pimps will always be a cancer on ECCIE, because they attack its foundation: the free flow of information that the site exists to facilitate, so that they can take advantage of women as well as men who don't understand how a transparent economy is in both of their interests. Even however you feel about the morality of exploitation/trafficking, from a level of pure self-interest, pimps will always seek to undermine ECCIE's transparent economy and thus are one of its greatest threats.

[homer13]

Originally Posted by Whispers

1) Where does one term end and the other begin or How would you personally define each role?

When I hear the word Pimp I picture a guy on a street corner with a few associates and a bunch of girls across the street on another corner. He wants to make sure they are not getting abused. At least not BEFORE they make him his money. He also wants to make sure they are not sluffing off. Actually putting in the hours to make him a living. He loves all of them but shows tough love as well.

True but with technology and online being the more chosen medium now just like how organized crime has adapted so has the modern pimp or manager

I see a Manager as a person that might be involved with 1-3 girls, taking care of their schedules, doing their screening, placing their ads, making sure they know where they are going and who they are seeing.

The Agency takes this Role a step farther with volume, placing wider reaching Ads, often provides an Incall for their use and resolves disputes on their behalf when they arise.



2) If a man runs an ad for escorts and a lady responds to that ad and subsequently start seeing guys and giving him a portion of their money, what services should that person be providing to the lady to NOT be considered a Pimp?

Personally my belief's lie in whatever agreement a lady enters into with some guy/girl is between the two of them and my concerns are simply for the quality of the time she spends with me. As long as I am unaware of the Pimp's involvement, why should I care?

It's a fine line between a manager, agency or pimp as they all seem to provider similar sources for a fee. Whether that be screening, setting up an incall, setting appointments and providing a driving or bodyguard.


3) If a guy offers to set the girl up on ECCIE, creates her account, loads her showcase, posts as if he is her, sends and responds to PMs in order to "screen" for her and then sends her off to meet the guy do you see a problem with that? (Yes I know it is against the rules)

The obvious is that it IS against the rules. We ALL know however that this happens at times. Personally I would probably be a little embarrassed to find out that some exchange I had with a lady via PM, Email or Text was actually not with her but with someone else representing her. If I KNEW this was occurring I would simply never contact them.

4) Why are some people so dynamically opposed to "Pimps" but OK with an Agency?

I think it has to do with perceived violence and an opinion of a predatory relationship. I'm interested to hear what other's think.

Managers, schedulers, agencies and pimps all seem to do this. It is a lot more prevalent then we think. There has been more then one occasion when I pm or text a lady only to find out later that I was actually talking with someone else. Sometimes this is a lady (scheduler or assistant) or agency rep or even Pimp as would be defined. Personally I don't mind if I am dealing with someone else as long as they let me know up front to avoid any confusion or embarrassment

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by homer13

Personally I don't mind if I am dealing with someone else as long as they let me know up front to avoid any confusion or embarrassment

It's a real bitch finding out mid session when she comments on the size of your junk (big or small) that SHE wasn't the one you sent that picture of it to!

[ffireman]

I agree with homer at times these agencies / pimps don't advise the girl if what is going on then that's where all the confusing starts

[MARTlAN]

Originally Posted by Whispers

It's a real bitch finding out mid session when she comments on the size of your junk (big or small) that SHE wasn't the one you sent that picture of it to!

You send picture of your junk to providers? why? As far as the topic at hand, I agree with Homer, as long as I know I'm talking to the representation and they are up front about it Im ok with it. I have a few times contact a lady and based on the post or certain tells I knew who was their manager and just contacted the manager directly and made arrangements that way.

[JohnConner799]

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Martianman

You send picture of your junk to providers?

Not me. But we all know Homer likes to show off.

[da_goo_man]

Originally Posted by Qziz

I'd define a pimp as someone who preys on women and takes the money they earn via intimidation or indoctrination whereas a manager is someone who schedules a provider's sessions, arranges incalls and takes a cut, but the relationship is much more businesslike and open.

I definitely see a problem with a pimp posting pretending to be a provider. There are some providers who are open about managers posting for them, and there are a few managers who pretend to be the provider, and I'm not crazy about that either.

As for why people hate pimps but are OK with agencies... well, it's not a coincidence that most agencies have a woman as their public face even when not really female-owned. A lot of older providers do turn into managers to supplement their income and male hobbyists are generally a lot more accepting of dealing with a female manager.

As for myself I've very rarely used agencies because, well, why? I'd rather the money go to the provider.

That's the answer. Pimps take all the money. Pimps on the internet never show their face. Plenty of girls on this board who you think are independent are really slaves to pimps.

[homer13]

Originally Posted by Whispers

Not me. But we all know Homer likes to show off.

LOL, sorry I only send pics of my junk to ladies who've already had the pleasure of it.

[MARTlAN]

Originally Posted by Whispers

Not me. But we all know Homer likes to show off.

Wouldn't he need to have something worth showing off??? HA, j/k homie...

[homer13]

Originally Posted by Martianman

Wouldn't he need to have something worth showing off??? HA, j/k homie...

Wait, I thought we were talking about my baseball card collection.