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I haven't read this entire thread. I just have to vent my disbelief at the white house's rhetoric yesterday trying to label this as a hate crime instead of terrorism. Absolutely fucking absurd.
I feel for the family of the victims / are leftist leaders ( head shed ) are saying every thing but we are at war ( its the gun , the inter net) , and whoever said it is 100 % correct Trump was just elected
whoever said it is 100 % correct Trump was just elected
not true.. if this was October 14, maybe.. but we've seen if before, Americans have short memories, other stories will occur between now and November, the Pulse massacre memories will fade.. just as San Bernardino is now a wisp of a memory in the public conscious.
This administration is just following its own playbook. Never waist a crisis to help further its own agenda. They won't even say the words radical Islamic Terrorist. Its the guns fault.
This and know gun free zones do not work for law abiding folks.
Rattlesnake Logic….
“Here in West Texas, I have rattlesnakes on my place, living among us. I have killed a rattlesnake on the front porch. I have killed a rattlesnake on the back porch. I have killed them in the barn, in the shop and on the driveway.
In fact, I kill every rattlesnake I encounter. I kill rattlesnakes because I know a rattlesnake will bite me and inject me with poison.
I don’t stop to wonder WHY a rattlesnake will bite me; I know it WILL bite me because, it’s a rattlesnake and that’s what rattlesnakes do.
I don’t try to reason with a rattlesnake or have a ”meaningful dialogue” with it…I just kill it.
I don’t try to get to know the rattlesnake better, in order to find a way to live with the rattlesnakes and convince them not to bite me. I just kill them.
I don’t quiz a rattlesnake to see if I can find out where the other snakes are, because; (a) it won’t tell me, and (b) I already know they live on my place, so, I just kill it and move on to the next one.
I don’t look for ways I might be able to change the rattlesnake to a non-poisonous rat snake…I just kill it.
Oh, and on occasion, I accidentally kill a rat snake because I thought it was a rattlesnake at the time. Also, I know for every rattlesnake I kill two more are lurking in the brush.
In my lifetime I will never be able to rid my place of rattlesnakes.
Do I fear them? Not really.
Do I respect what they can do to me and my family? Yes!!
And because of that respect, I give them the fair justice they deserve….I kill them…
As a country, we should start giving more thought to the fact that these jihadists are telling the world that their goal is to kill Americans and destroy our way of life.
They have just posted two graphic videos on the internet showing them beheading Americans.
They are serious.
They are exactly like rattlesnakes. It is high time for us to start acting accordingly!”
Howdy,
I'm not a good person. I definitely stopped attending churches over the years although I was confirmed in several religions and studied the teaching emphatically. I do know that murder is wrong.
But the underlying cause of hatred (Aoi) is exactly what you are demonstrating here, while trying to reason against it.
Aoi continues to point out about the teachings of Christ being in the (New Testament and away from Judaism) - and here are the two most important in the New Testament:
John 13:34
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."
Matthew 18:21-22
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy times seven."
In other words, if you are a true Christian, and are following the teachings of Christ - you love all persons (without regard for their choices or beliefs); and you forgive whatever they have done to you. Any "recourse, revenge, anger, or animosity" in any form is unchristian.
(It IS "human", Aoi - it's who we are - don't worry Aoi, I'm no better than you... I'm probably worse. But it's unchristian.)
That's why his last words are so poignant, "Forgive them, for they know not what they do." He was saying, "Even though I've taught them, left them a guide, left them teachers - they're going to get it wrong."
So, you have it wrong. But, in part you're correct - Muslims have their teaching wrong also. And Jews, and most every religion for the history of religions perverts their instruction to fit a cause.
Because its impossible for individuals to take sane individual responsibility for their actions without claiming or justifying some support from God (or another person's "teaching"). They MUST do that,,, they MUST use these references.
Imagine if a person with ANY sanity stood in front of a mirror, and said into a camera - "Hey world, I'm doing this just because I want to... I just want to kill a bunch of people for no reason. I'm a sociopathic asshole and I know I'll die, get shot, or at best get caught and throw my life away in jail - and I'm ok with that." Then they know they are a useless piece of hatred and crazy. But if they can say "I'm justified because my God (teachings, bible, Quran, whatever) said - it's cool." then they are mentally sloughing off responsibility.
All Muslims are not bad, all Christians are not good. All of any group, race, religion, height, sex, or breakfast cereal choice are not good - and all are not bad.
But, a religion used as justification for any violence, prejudice, or to hurt others is the worst form of that representation in all men. It is people, at their very worst.
Guns are fine; because a gun with no justification or impetus to use it is a worthless hunk of metal just laying around.
So the real culprit is all organized religion. (Not religion, belief, spirituality, Muslim or Christian or whatever in and of itself). "Organized religion"; which should be banned world wide.
Because Jesus did get one thing wrong. Wherever "two or more are gather in his (or any God's) name..." There isn't love. There is an agenda to change others, by persuasion - or by force.
I can hear your reply already, "You jerk - if EVERYONE was Christian, then there wouldn't be this terrorist acts by Muslims!". (You're right - and that's just what the Muslims say).
I haven't read this entire thread. I just have to vent my disbelief at the white house's rhetoric yesterday trying to label this as a hate crime instead of terrorism. Absolutely fucking absurd.
What the fuck is the difference? Hate and terror is virtually one in the same.
Until then, shove your moral equivalence down the fucking toilet where it belongs.
I haven't noticed you posting before. However, there is a forum called "Political Forum" in which you would probably really enjoy participating in.
Overt rudeness is tolerated there ... and sometimes, encouraged.
Anyway, I don't have much more to add about this topic. It's a horrible occurrence. And I do fear that it'll be happening again sooner rather than later.
Over-simplifying, or simply being obtuse like several of these comments are (I'm not referring directly to the quoted text above, just a general comment), doesn't really contribute to what could be a more provocative topic and one that presents polar opposite viewpoints, and gives one reason to pause and actually consider different viewpoints, without falling into hurling insults.
I believe this country is in crisis. Better to work together for a solution but obviously, that doesn't seem to be possible.
Really? So, our national debt isn't at 20 trillion? Racism is worse than ever since the civil rights movement? immigration is well above 10 million? Obamacare isn't forced down our throats? Job participation is worse than ever? Jobs are going overseas every day? Schools are being forced to let boys use girls restroom bc they feel like it? Political correctness isn't rampant and ruining things?
Islamic terrorist didn't just kill 50 people because they were gay, which, btw, the religion has a habit of throwing off buildings?
You really don't know anything, huh?
Typical libtard. Doesn't know anything and wants to say it's some right-wing conspiracy. Newsflash, Just because you attached a word to something, doesn't mean it's somehow no longer valid. Similarly,just because Obama says something facisiously, doesn't mean it's not true.
wait, racism is rearing it's ugly head because of idiots like you that worship the orangutan who says "my african american"....I mean why doesnt he just come out and say my nigger? I thought he was all about being anti PC? why not just say what his core constituents want to hear?
rest of your fascisious (sic) talking points taken from shrill right wing sites don't even deserve a response. you sound like one of those over compensating minorities that try extra hard to fit in. grow up.
regarding your hero trump, here's something that ken burns said vis-a-vis mr cheetos...you think a guy that made the greatest documentary on american politics knows a bit more than the right wing sites you get your info from.
I'll leave you with this, you can continue to spew your under-educated, easily-swayed-by-scaremongering-demagoguery bullshit:
For 216 years, our elections, though bitterly contested, have featured the philosophies and character of candidates who were clearly qualified. That is not the case this year. One is glaringly not qualified. So before you do anything with your well-earned degree, you must do everything you can to defeat the retrograde forces that have invaded our democratic process, divided our house, to fight against, no matter your political persuasion, the dictatorial tendencies of the candidate with zero experience in the much maligned but subtle art of governance; who is against lots of things, but doesn’t seem to be for anything, offering only bombastic and contradictory promises, and terrifying Orwellian statements; a person who easily lies, creating an environment where the truth doesn’t seem to matter; who has never demonstrated any interest in anyone or anything but himself and his own enrichment; who insults veterans, threatens a free press, mocks the handicapped, denigrates women, immigrants and all Muslims; a man who took more than a day to remember to disavow a supporter who advocates white supremacy and the Ku Klux Klan; an infantile, bullying man who, depending on his mood, is willing to discard old and established alliances, treaties and long-standing relationships. I feel genuine sorrow for the understandably scared and – they feel – powerless people who have flocked to his campaign in the mistaken belief that – as often happens on TV – a wand can be waved and every complicated problem can be solved with the simplest of solutions. They can’t. It is a political Ponzi scheme. And asking this man to assume the highest office in the land would be like asking a newly minted car driver to fly a 747.
wait, racism is rearing it's ugly head because of idiots like you that worship the orangutan who says "my african american"....I mean why doesnt he just come out and say my nigger? I thought he was all about being anti PC? why not just say what his core constituents want to hear?
rest of your fascisious (sic) talking points taken from shrill right wing sites don't even deserve a response. you sound like one of those over compensating minorities that try extra hard to fit in. grow up.
regarding your hero trump, here's something that ken burns said vis-a-vis mr cheetos...you think a guy that made the greatest documentary on american politics knows a bit more than the right wing sites you get your info from.
I'll leave you with this, you can continue to spew your under-educated, easily-swayed-by-scaremongering-demagoguery bullshit:
For 216 years, our elections, though bitterly contested, have featured the philosophies and character of candidates who were clearly qualified. That is not the case this year. One is glaringly not qualified. So before you do anything with your well-earned degree, you must do everything you can to defeat the retrograde forces that have invaded our democratic process, divided our house, to fight against, no matter your political persuasion, the dictatorial tendencies of the candidate with zero experience in the much maligned but subtle art of governance; who is against lots of things, but doesn’t seem to be for anything, offering only bombastic and contradictory promises, and terrifying Orwellian statements; a person who easily lies, creating an environment where the truth doesn’t seem to matter; who has never demonstrated any interest in anyone or anything but himself and his own enrichment; who insults veterans, threatens a free press, mocks the handicapped, denigrates women, immigrants and all Muslims; a man who took more than a day to remember to disavow a supporter who advocates white supremacy and the Ku Klux Klan; an infantile, bullying man who, depending on his mood, is willing to discard old and established alliances, treaties and long-standing relationships. I feel genuine sorrow for the understandably scared and – they feel – powerless people who have flocked to his campaign in the mistaken belief that – as often happens on TV – a wand can be waved and every complicated problem can be solved with the simplest of solutions. They can’t. It is a political Ponzi scheme. And asking this man to assume the highest office in the land would be like asking a newly minted car driver to fly a 747.
So the solution is to elect Hillary at all cost. I may not be on the Trump bandwagon but Hillary?? Why? She is experienced. She stands for gun control, abortion, open immigration, big banks, foreign money, skirting the law with insecure email servers, allowing Benghazi, white privileges, and otherwise pointing out the other candidate is inexperienced.
What other labels, besides democrat and republican, can you think of that serve to divide this nation?
I really thought this horrible act of terrorism against a typically liberal group of people would have a uniting effect that we could all stand together against.
Imagine my disappointment today as I watch what could have been a very bipartisan sentiment against terrorism devolve into gun control and hate crime speeches.
Smfh at the state of politics in America. What a goddamned clusterfuck.
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