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		|  12-15-2023, 11:28 AM | #91 |  
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					Originally Posted by bigwill832  Question about Epps should be "If there are multiple videos of him inciting and calling to action, entering the Capitol building, why wasn't he detained like all the others?" |  
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					Originally Posted by Salty Again  ... THAT is a very good question, mate.
 Revolver News is wonderin' the very same thing!
 
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He called for people to PEACEFULLY go into the Capitol, and tried to PEACEFULLY separate protestors from the police.
 
In 1986, American Icon Abbie Hoffman and Presidential Daughter Amy Carter staged a sit in at the University of Massachusetts, to prevent the CIA from recruiting.  They were protesting against the CIA's role in Central America.  They were tried in a court of law and found not guilty.  Now, can you please tell me the difference between what they did and what Ray Epps did? 
 
Yeah, maybe the CIA was running drugs and arming rebels.  And maybe Congress was counting the votes of lawfully selected electors.  But that's a minor difference.  Epps didn't know those electors were lawfully selected. He thought there were 7 million fraudulent votes in 2020, or however many it took to put Trump on top.
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		|  12-15-2023, 11:58 AM | #92 |  
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					Originally Posted by VitaMan  Almost unbelievable that some use these sites as their sources..
 
 Failed Fact Checks
 
 The video content on Rumble has failed numerous fact checks.
 
 
 Rumble features right-biased content. Some of their featured video channels include author Dinesh D’Souza, Charlie Kirk, OANN, Sean Hannity, Newsmax, and Dan Bongino. Videos are far-right biased and some from conspiracy sources such as X22 Reports and Steve Bannon’s War Room.
 
 They frequently publish false videos claiming election fraud. They also promote conspiracy theories from QAnon such as this Plandemic COVID SCAM – Fall Of Cabal Deep State And Illuminati Globalist Agenda
 
 The videos published on Rumble are not factual and promote conspiracy theories.
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Epps flat out said " We are going into the Capital", how can that be fake?
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		|  12-15-2023, 12:50 PM | #93 |  
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			You are the one who said nothing is at it seems.  Your post:
 "The time has come to question everything. Everything presented to us through the Media may not be what it seems to be."
 
 
 But now you say the Ray Epps episode cannot be faked ?  Check the reputation of the websites you use for your information.  Bitchute, rumble, revolver, gateway pundit, etc. - all extreme right websites that are well know for posting fake information.
 
 It's all right in front of you if you would care to look.
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		|  12-15-2023, 03:34 PM | #94 |  
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					Originally Posted by VitaMan  You are the one who said nothing is at it seems.  Your post:
 "The time has come to question everything. Everything presented to us through the Media may not be what it seems to be."
 
 
 But now you say the Ray Epps episode cannot be faked ?  Check the reputation of the websites you use for your information.  Bitchute, rumble, revolver, gateway pundit, etc. - all extreme right websites that are well know for posting fake information.
 
 It's all right in front of you if you would care to look.
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Yeah and I proved it too. So if what you're basically saying is the insurrection was fake and Ray Epps was an FBI plant that's probably true.
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		|  12-15-2023, 04:04 PM | #95 |  
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			No proof by you. Your sources provide fake news. It is well documented they provide fake news. Yet you believe it.
 I am saying the insurrection was real and the Ray Epps episode is fake news.
 
 The longer you continue, the more mixed up you sound. Just keep on believing what your fake news websites tell you to believe.
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		|  12-15-2023, 06:05 PM | #96 |  
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					Originally Posted by VitaMan  No proof by you. Your sources provide fake news. It is well documented they provide fake news. Yet you believe it.
 I am saying the insurrection was real and the Ray Epps episode is fake news.
 
 The longer you continue, the more mixed up you sound. Just keep on believing what your fake news websites tell you to believe.
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No that's CNN and all other MSM outlets. When ever they attempt to put out the truth someone gets fired, lol.
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		|  12-15-2023, 06:57 PM | #97 |  
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					Originally Posted by Levianon17  Epps flat out said " We are going into the Capital", how can that be fake? |  
... Actually Epps said "IN TO THE CAPITOL!" 
as if "in" and "to" were to separate words.    
... Don't even try to reason-with the lads here 
on the Ray Epps issue, mate.
 
They are surely entitled to believe whatever they wish.
 
Just as we are.    
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		|  12-15-2023, 07:37 PM | #98 |  
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					Originally Posted by VitaMan  The Ray Epps episode is a complete fabrication by the far right, to try and divert blame for the Trump supporters riot at the US Capitol.  They accept responsibility for nothing.
 
 Bitchute
 Gateway Pundit
 Revolver
 stateofunion.org
 
 
 All trash.
 
 Few people are aware of this:   StateOfUnion.org is owned by VIP Ad Solutions LLC.
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Amen.  But they will refuse to believe that. 
You should also show the Truth Scale along with the Centerness scale.
 
But that won't stop them being lemurs hurling themselves off the cliff of lies.
 
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					Originally Posted by VitaMan  People can use websites as sources, that produce fake information to promote their beliefs.
 But what does it say about them if they do that ?
 
 
 The far right seems able to believe anything and do anything - except take responsibility for their actions.
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I wonder whatever happen to their mantra of "fake news"?  Dem uptightie righties use to bang that gong all the time.  With vetting tools, they've been pretty mute on that front.
 
AGAIN!  I'll ask for another vetting source if they have a problem with the one VM used.  I expect silence from them.
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		|  12-15-2023, 07:41 PM | #99 |  
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					Originally Posted by Salty Again  ... Actually Epps said "IN TO THE CAPITOL!" 
as if "in" and "to" were to separate words.    
... Don't even try to reason-with the lads here 
on the Ray Epps issue, mate.
 
They are surely entitled to believe whatever they wish.
 
Just as we are.    
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I look for the truth. That's what I want to believe. I don't have an emotional attachment to Trump or the Democrat or Republican party. I really don't have a problem with Trump being charged and convicted if he is actually guilty. But when there is a guy like Ray Epps seen on camera running his big mouth about going into the Capital and pushing the issue rather aggressively and low Testosterone Beta Males think he hasn't done anything wrong, I have a problem with that bullshit.
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		|  12-15-2023, 07:58 PM | #100 |  
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			What does that have to do with any conspiracy theory that the government, the FBI, and the DOJ orchestrated the riot at the US Capitol, and Ray Epps was part of the "supposed" government effort ?
 
 That is what is being discussed here.
 There was no government conspiracy.  Ray Epps  was not part of any government effort.
 It was the Trump supporters rioting at the US Capitol.
 
 The sources you use are all extreme right wing sources well know for publishing fake videos and fake news.
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		|  12-15-2023, 08:42 PM | #101 |  
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					Originally Posted by VitaMan  What does that have to do with any conspiracy theory that the government, the FBI, and the DOJ orchestrated the riot at the US Capitol, and Ray Epps was part of the "supposed" government effort ?
 
 That is what is being discussed here.
 There was no government conspiracy.  Ray Epps  was not part of any government effort.
 It was the Trump supporters rioting at the US Capitol.
 
 The sources you use are all extreme right wing sources well know for publishing fake videos and fake news.
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if you say so
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		|  12-15-2023, 09:19 PM | #102 |  
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			You are welcome to prove otherwise.
 Or just end your input with your pointless statement.
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		|  12-15-2023, 10:29 PM | #103 |  
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					Originally Posted by VitaMan  What does that have to do with any conspiracy theory that the government, the FBI, and the DOJ orchestrated the riot at the US Capitol, and Ray Epps was part of the "supposed" government effort ?
 
 That is what is being discussed here.
 There was no government conspiracy.  Ray Epps  was not part of any government effort.
 It was the Trump supporters rioting at the US Capitol.
 
 The sources you use are all extreme right wing sources well know for publishing fake videos and fake news.
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Well Ray Epps was on the FBI wanted list for one day, that's bit suspicious. Then he's just been recently arrested and charged with a misdemeanor while all other protestors were charged with Federal Crimes. I am willing to bet if Ray Epps hadn't received so much controversy he never would have been charged with anything. Then on top of that Sen. Ted Cruz questioned a top FBI Official about the Jan. 6 riots and asked her about if she knew who Ray Epps was and her only reply to Sen. Cruz was, "Sir I can't answer that question". That's a big red flag to me.
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		|  12-16-2023, 06:33 AM | #104 |  
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			The multilpe videos of Epps publically and openly inciting folks to commit the crimes  that got many seriously charged and imprisoned may have helped.
 In years past, these sorts of things would have been obfuscated into urban legend like "the gunman on the grassy knoll". Imagine what we would now know about the JFK association if every one there had a modern cell phone recording, as would be the case today.
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		|  12-16-2023, 09:32 AM | #105 |  
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			My question is this, how does one guy who is SO influential verbally, able to make thousands break the law?  He would literally have a bigger impact than the people on Jan6, who were on stage asked of the attendees!  
 You've got to fight, or you won't have a country to fight for!
 
 Or
 
 Trial by combat
 
 And a stream of gaslighting of the morons in attendance...all to take physical action at the capital.
 
 Add it all up,
 Ray Epps is just another sheep in the flock of Trump.  And he's been charged as such.
 
 Find a new conspiracy to show us.
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