Are Democrats lying?

[jayjaychrome]

Originally Posted by texassapper

I don't give a fcuk if they are a net economic positive. Are they a net positive for American citizens and the quality of our lives and communities?

It's clear you care more about $$ than people.

Oh for funsies, can you make this same photo but instead use the pictures of victims of school shootings done by American citizens? I promise you will find plenty.....


How about you give a fuck about *ALL* victims of crimes instead of just where the criminals are from?


What is the core message of this photo? "Get rid of illegals and you get rid of the crime they commit, and we'll all be crime free"?


"Every person in this photo collage should be alive...but they were murdered by a person with long hair"


"Every person in this photo collage should be alive...but they were murdered by a man with testicles"


"Every person in this photo collage should be alive...but they were murdered by a pickup truck driver"


"Every person in this photo collage should be alive...but they were murdered by a person who sees prostitutes"


I can do this forever, and I can come up with shitty, logically shaky justifications for each just like you can for yours.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

No. myself and others here contend there is no way for an ILLEGAL to pay their fair share. it's IMPOSSIBLE by definition. they get the benefits of a citizen without paying the real fair share of a tax paying citizen. they get more out than they put in no matter how much bread and beer they buy at piggly wiggly. or houses or cars. there is no legal way an ILLEGAL can pay taxes, NONE!.



no matter what you, Democrats or Adam Schiff claim .. illegals are a net drain on the system.


they get more than they put in. yeah it's that simple.

With your failed parry to my riposte, thank you for confirming to maggies near and far that immigrants put $$$ into goverment coffers without guarantees they will benefit from such.

See? That didn't hurt to admit that my post is correct. I hope this is the cracking in the dike of maggies firm, entrenched mindset to never admit fault/err/responsibility/mistakes.

Originally Posted by Mort Watt

Well...if you are so certain, you should be able to show us some stats, right?

Originally Posted by jayjaychrome

except for...ya know...sales tax


Love the idea that it's illegal immigrants who aren't paying their fair share. Not billionaires or giant corporations. Pablo at Home Depot is the real grifter.


It'd be funnier if it wasn't so depressing.

Yupper. Sales tax contributes to most all the programs maggies complain immigrants take from (without them contributing *if* we are to believe them.)

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

This issue is complex. But the statement that illegal immigrants can’t pay taxes is both false and ignorant. Every body pays taxes in the form of tariffs, sales, property taxes, and if they are using a forged SSN in the form of FICA and payroll taxes.

An argument can be made that illegal immigration can cost the taxpayers more in the short run in the form of subsidies like education for their children or snap benefits for their families. But immigrants are incredibly hard workers, they emphasize education for their families, and they are willing to do the work necessary to get their children to succeed.

In the long run immigrants are absolutely a net positive for our country our economy and our society.

So no Democrats aren’t lying.

Guess maggies never heard of an ITIN. Wonder where that $$$$ goes?

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

"Most recent economic assessments in the provided reporting find that unauthorized immigrants have a small net-positive effect on the U.S. economy overall, mainly by expanding labor supply, contributing taxes and GDP, and supporting industries that would otherwise face shortages; several models show deportation or sharp reductions in unauthorized immigration would lower GDP growth by roughly 0.75–1 percentage point in 2025 and raise budget deficits by hundreds of billions over a decade."

https://factually.co/fact-checks/eco...ants-us-561cff

"A persistent narrative in 2025 suggests that immigrants, particularly those without permanent legal status, are a net drain on public resources. A granular analysis of tax revenue data dismantles this myth, revealing that immigrants are significant contributors to the fiscal health of federal, state, and local governments.

In 2022, undocumented immigrants paid an estimated $96.7 billion in taxes."

https://govfacts.org/immigration/the...cas-workforce/

"Economic benefits of illegal immigration outweigh the costs, Baker Institute study shows"

https://news.rice.edu/news/2020/econ...te-study-shows

Without looking at the links, *my* first reaction is "Than who going to take over the labour in meat packing plants, plant and pick produce, process poultry, construction, all forms menial task that USA citizens refuse to do at pay offered?

*I* think it is more than a "small net positive."

Originally Posted by texassapper

I don't give a fcuk if they are a net economic positive. Are they a net positive for American citizens and the quality of our lives and communities?

It's clear you care more about $$ than people.

Your postings seem to mirror the melange one as he gets more unhinged by the day and his confirming the crude comments he, in the past, made and denied.

Originally Posted by jayjaychrome

Oh for funsies, can you make this same photo but instead use the pictures of victims of school shootings done by American citizens? I promise you will find plenty.....


How about you give a fuck about *ALL* victims of crimes instead of just where the criminals are from?


What is the core message of this photo? "Get rid of illegals and you get rid of the crime they commit, and we'll all be crime free"?


"Every person in this photo collage should be alive...but they were murdered by a person with long hair"


"Every person in this photo collage should be alive...but they were murdered by a man with testicles"


"Every person in this photo collage should be alive...but they were murdered by a pickup truck driver"


"Every person in this photo collage should be alive...but they were murdered by a person who sees prostitutes"


I can do this forever, and I can come up with shitty, logically shaky justifications for each just like you can for yours.

Touche.

[texassapper]

We’ve let in millions of third-worlders who can’t even support themselves and drain American taxpayers at every opportunity.

Just in Tim Walz’s Minnesota:

Below poverty line
- 37.5% of adult Somalis
- Only 6.9% of adult natives

On welfare
- 81% of Somali households
- Only 21% of native households

This is a total drain on American taxpayers and systems with literally zero benefit. It has to end.




Just more wonderful immigrants making America a better place.

LOL... you keep arguing about your feelings all you want.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by jayjaychrome

Oh for funsies, can you make this same photo but instead use the pictures of victims of school shootings done by American citizens? I promise you will find plenty.....

I'm sure that I could... You think there's an easy way to prevent those deaths? Would you take it if it were available?

There's an easy way to prevent those deaths of Americans in my image and that is deporting every last illegal in America.

Done deal. Lives saved.

Isn't it worth it if it saves one childs life?

[jayjaychrome]

Originally Posted by texassapper

I'm sure that I could... You think there's an easy way to prevent those deaths? Would you take it if it were available?

There's an easy way to prevent those deaths of Americans in my image and that is deporting every last illegal in America.

Done deal. Lives saved.

Isn't it worth it if it saves one childs life?

I mean...if we're arguing it, deporting right leaning men would probably save quite a few lives too judging by recent and not so recent events.


Wait, are you seeing the potential deal to be made? I think I am...

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by texassapper

We’ve let in millions of third-worlders who can’t even support themselves and drain American taxpayers at every opportunity.

Just in Tim Walz’s Minnesota:

Below poverty line
- 37.5% of adult Somalis
- Only 6.9% of adult natives

On welfare
- 81% of Somali households
- Only 21% of native households

This is a total drain on American taxpayers and systems with literally zero benefit. It has to end.




Just more wonderful immigrants making America a better place.

LOL... you keep arguing about your feelings all you want.

Seeing that they come from a country where the poverty line is over $700 annually, it would seem that coming to America, they would be quite comfortable at the moving of this line to 15-20 times bigger than where they came from.

I bet they could teach a thing or 20 to maggies standing in the food lines about how to live in "affordability", don't you think? What you *feelings* about that?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

With your failed parry to my riposte, thank you for confirming to maggies near and far that immigrants put $$$ into goverment coffers without guarantees they will benefit from such.

See? That didn't hurt to admit that my post is correct. I hope this is the cracking in the dike of maggies firm, entrenched mindset to never admit fault/err/responsibility/mistakes.

so does a Japanese tourist when they buy souvenirs but they didn't come here illegally did they?



re-read my post. i said they do not pay tax on income because there is no legal way an illegal can do that. it doesn't matter how much beer and bread they buy at the local Food King.



prove that wrong,

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Seeing that they come from a country where the poverty line is over $700 annually, it would seem that coming to America, they would be quite comfortable at the moving of this line to 15-20 times bigger than where they came from.

I bet they could teach a thing or 20 to maggies standing in the food lines about how to live in "affordability", don't you think? What you *feelings* about that?

so the contribution to America by Somalis is how to live better in poverty in America than Somalia?



brilliant!!


bahahahaaaa

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

so does a Japanese tourist when they buy souvenirs but they didn't come here illegally did they?



re-read my post. i said they do not pay tax on income because there is no legal way an illegal can do that. it doesn't matter how much beer and bread they buy at the local Food King.



prove that wrong,

Please, please. We already have your statement admitting you were wrong that they don't put funds in Uncle Sugars pocket. We know that maggies are lazy and only exercise their gum flaps. No need to expound on INIT to the masses. Not about rubbing noses in peoples mistakes when they fess up to them, like this one.

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

so the contribution to America by Somalis is how to live better in poverty in America than Somalia?



brilliant!!


bahahahaaaa

Yes, the contribution can be experienced first hand by maggies in the food bank lines if a Somali family invites them into their home and they can show them how to get along with means that maggies thought impossible to live on. Don't believe me? Go see if a family will sponsor you. Than you can show the rest of the orange clan.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Please, please. We already have your statement admitting you were wrong that they don't put funds in Uncle Sugars pocket. We know that maggies are lazy and only exercise their gum flaps. No need to expound on INIT to the masses. Not about rubbing noses in peoples mistakes when they fess up to them, like this one.



Yes, the contribution can be experienced first hand by maggies in the food bank lines if a Somali family invites them into their home and they can show them how to get along with means that maggies thought impossible to live on. Don't believe me? Go see if a family will sponsor you. Than you can show the rest of the orange clan.

amusing. i've never claimed that illegals don't contribute only that they cannot legally contribute to the big one .. income tax. forget the bread and beer and circuses and apartments .. because they cannot legally pay INCOME TAX they are a net drain on all real tax payers .. including you and me.


prove me wrong



and illegally assuming a ssn or tax id to appear legal is just money laundering like the mafia and the cartels do. did i mention it's also illegal? an illegal committing a crime to appear legal is illegal. why is that complicated to people??



forget the fact that Somalis can live 10 x better on US welfare paid by you and me than they could in Somalia? they are still a burden on America and they will not assimilate. that isn't their way and never will be.

[pxmcc]

^^and pulling their work permits, as Trump is doing right now, is beneficial to exactly which tax-paying U.S. citizens and Minnesotans?

I wonder how often illegals claim their federal income tax refunds? a good estimate would probably be .1% tops.

every immigration move Trump has made has worsened America's financial picture by a quantum leap. he is deporting everyone who could MAGA. Trump hasn't the slightest clue about the demographic tsunami heading our way, or he'd be increasing immigration through (paths to citizenship for law-abiding undocumented immigrants and) a massively juiced guest worker program, not deporting the future potential salvation of America.

if Trump's tariffs result in a massive reshoring of U.S. manufacturing-they won't by the way-who exactly will staff those factories at wages that would allow us to compete with the Vietnams and the Ugandas of the world? U.S. citizens happily working in sweatshops for a few dollars an hour?
bahahahahaha..

do i need to explain to you how this works, the demographic tsunami that is heading towards us, and why deporting these folks is economically idiotic, or do you actually understand the relevant issues but just prefer to defer to the Orange Marmelade Dear Leader..

without a course correction, so ends the Pax Americana, and we can all thank Trump for that..

#MAKEAMERICAAWFULAGAIN..
#MADEINCHINA..

to the OP: unscrupulous contractors give illegals the most dangerous work jobs with zero regard for safety, and when they predictably get injured, suddenly the contractor is nowhere to be found. then Republican pols gripe about all the free services they're getting in the U.S..

a Somali with ebola who can't access healthcare services isn't just a "that Somali's problem"; it's everyone's problem.

[Yssup Rider]

Prove me wrong … thank you TWK.

[jayjaychrome]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

prove me wrong

This might be a tough concept for some to understand, but here's an article to help


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)


You are expected to prove your arguments as correct. If you can't, it's probably because they are garbage arguments. Asking your opponent for help to validate your own argument? Further confirmation of such. No grown man should ever have to ask another grown man to defend his own argument. Yikes.


Please make arguments that you are able to defend yourself.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

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Aren't you kewt. But I don't follow the Charlie Kirk selfish motto of "change my mind" by singling them out to prove something. You can learn something by the guy below. Dare to be different. Be the maggie that actually does the legwork. You've done enough to support what I posted.

Thank you. But I need no more lack of evidence from you to cement what I said.

Originally Posted by jayjaychrome

This might be a tough concept for some to understand, but here's an article to help


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)


You are expected to prove your arguments as correct. If you can't, it's probably because they are garbage arguments. Asking your opponent for help to validate your own argument? Further confirmation of such. No grown man should ever have to ask another grown man to defend his own argument. Yikes.


Please make arguments that you are able to defend yourself.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Prove me wrong … thank you TWK.

prove acts of intentional fraud and identity theft make illegals "legal"

Originally Posted by jayjaychrome

This might be a tough concept for some to understand, but here's an article to help


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)


You are expected to prove your arguments as correct. If you can't, it's probably because they are garbage arguments. Asking your opponent for help to validate your own argument? Further confirmation of such. No grown man should ever have to ask another grown man to defend his own argument. Yikes.


Please make arguments that you are able to defend yourself.

irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Aren't you kewt. But I don't follow the Charlie Kirk selfish motto of "change my mind" by singling them out to prove something. You can learn something by the guy below. Dare to be different. Be the maggie that actually does the legwork. You've done enough to support what I posted.

Thank you. But I need no more lack of evidence from you to cement what I said.

actually you have agreed with me that illegals can't pay their fair share i.e. income tax so why exactly should they get all the benefits of an actual citizen?