To all those who scream that President Trump needs Congressional Approval to start a war in regards to the Capture of Venezuela Maduro

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

And Trump since he took office a second time has bombed Iran, Nigeria, Somalia, Syria, Yemen, and Iraq. I do not remember anyone protesting these attacks.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/...bombed-in-2025

And yes, Biden upped the ante for "information leading to the arrest and/or convictions of Maduro and Maduro’s named Minister of Interior, Justice, and Peace, Diosdado Cabello." No mention of money offered to either killing or kidnapping Maduro. Just information.

Maybe you can't see it but there is a huge difference in the minds of most between actions taken by Obama and Biden and even Trump previously and what Trump just did in Venezuela. Trump is trying to personally take over the political direction of Venezuela. As long as the new president does what Trump wants he will let her continue to lead the country. If not, she too will be deposed at the whim of Trump. So wrong.

there's no difference. you do know Obama declared Venezuela a terrorist state yes? so who leads a terrorist state? a terrorist.



yeah it's that simple

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

You need to justify Trump’s personal war in the Caribbean with something ether than whataboutism. I suppose Reagan should be deed to your list. And Nixon.

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No. i don't. unless you want to justify Obama and Clinton?



do you justify them? don't forget to say why.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

there's no difference. you do know Obama declared Venezuela a terrorist state yes? so who leads a terrorist state? a terrorist.



yeah it's that simple





No. i don't. unless you want to justify Obama and Clinton?



do you justify them? don't forget to say why.

Let's call this a proper thread hijack.

Can we? Please start a new thread.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by RX792P

Hmm, let's check history...
March 26, 2020
(Trump Admin): U.S. charges Maduro with narco-terrorism and offers a $15 million reward for his arrest/conviction.


'So, we have a reward for his capture, but we're not going to enforce it?

I was so hoping to catch this on an episode of Dog the Bounty Hunter

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

I’d call it a hijack attempt. But you knew that.

What did that meme say again?

Where did you get it?

You need to justify Trump’s personal war in the Caribbean with something ether than whataboutism. I suppose Reagan should be deed to your list. And Nixon.

TRump has been waging war on Venezuela for months. Nonstop. And was stupid enough to actually tell us why.

You want to argue your meme, start another thread. That is, when you find a way out of the corner you e painted yourself into.

Like a typical maggie, he stole it. But who doesn't do that here

Originally Posted by CG2014

We did it with Saddam Hussein, did anyone on the left or did any Democrats in Congress complain?

We executed Usama Bin Laden, did anyone on the left or did any Democrats in Congress complain?


The USA also assassinated a few foreign head of states to stabilize regions and countries.


I don't recall many folks complaining too.

Yes, we did it with Hussein. And that was by mutual agreement of a coalition.

Yes, we did it with UBL. That was aby mutual agreement of a coalition (not that the Pakistanis helped.)

Yes, we have done Rogue Elephant activities. And as I have stated in the past, we should look at ourselves in a mirror and own up to the results of that which continue to give us a blackeye in centeral and south america.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

there's no difference. you do know Obama declared Venezuela a terrorist state yes? so who leads a terrorist state? a terrorist.



yeah it's that simple





No. i don't. unless you want to justify Obama and Clinton?



do you justify them? don't forget to say why.

There is a huge difference but you are too blind to see it as most Trumpers are. This is the only time in my lifetime that the U.S. has gone into another country and deposed the leader of that country and taken control of that country. You might cite Iraq as similar but a total of 32 countries were involved in the Iraq invasion and an interim government was set up involving several countries, not just the U.S.

We broke international law. Plain and simple.

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

There is a huge difference but you are too blind to see it as most Trumpers are. This is the only time in my lifetime that the U.S. has gone into another country and deposed the leader of that country and taken control of that country. You might cite Iraq as similar but a total of 32 countries were involved in the Iraq invasion and an interim government was set up involving several countries, not just the U.S.

We broke international law. Plain and simple.

wrong

[RX792P]

We broke international law. Plain and simple.

wrong

Neither plain, simple, nor wrong.

As they say, it's complicated...

https://www.factcheck.org/2026/01/ex...litary-strike/

In the end, Jack Goldsmith, a Harvard Law School professor and a nonresident senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, argued that the debate about the legality of unilateral presidential uses of force has little significance.

“Immediately after these operations happen, every time this happens – Libya, Kosovo, Iran, all of these unilateral uses of force without congressional authorization – we immediately jump to the law and commentators immediately say this is illegal, depending on whether they like the war or not, or they defend it as being lawful, and we have this debate about whether it’s lawful or not, and I frankly think it’s kind of a meaningless debate in almost every circumstance,” he said in a Jan. 5 discussion with Bob Bauer, a legal scholar and New York University School of Law professor of practice.

“The issue is, why has Congress given the president this massive military force without constraints? Why does it continue to acquiesce in the president’s use of force? Why isn’t Congress exercising its constitutional prerogatives and constitutional responsibilities to check these things?” Goldsmith asked. “The lawyers tend to flee to the legal arguments. I think the legal arguments in this context are not terribly meaningful and that the focus should be on the politics of this. And the politics are that Congress has let the president get away with it knowingly across administrations, left and right, Democrat and Republican. And the Democrats tend to complain about Republican uses of force and vice versa. But all of this stuff takes place in the rhetoric of law that I think is largely meaningless.”

He said that unilateral use of force by the president is not an issue that has been adjudicated by the courts and he doubts that it will be.

“So, there’s no judicial force to stop that,” he told Bauer. “Only Congress exercising its political prerogatives, perhaps making legal arguments, can check that.”

[offshoredrilling]

I was saying wrong to this part only "and taken control of that country."

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

I was saying wrong to this part only "and taken control of that country."

Trump quote:

"President Trump, in an interview with The New York Times, said the U.S. could be in control of Venezuela for years.

“I would say much longer,” Trump told the Times in a two-hour interview published Thursday, when asked if the U.S. would oversee Venezuela for months, a year or longer."

There you have it. You are wrong.

https://thehill.com/policy/internati...ezuela-tenure/

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Trump quote:

"President Trump, in an interview with The New York Times, said the U.S. could be in control of Venezuela for years.

“I would say much longer,” Trump told the Times in a two-hour interview published Thursday, when asked if the U.S. would oversee Venezuela for months, a year or longer."

There you have it. You are wrong.

https://thehill.com/policy/internati...ezuela-tenure/

nope US is not controlling at this time

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Trump quote:

"President Trump, in an interview with The New York Times, said the U.S. could be in control of Venezuela for years.

“I would say much longer,” Trump told the Times in a two-hour interview published Thursday, when asked if the U.S. would oversee Venezuela for months, a year or longer."

There you have it. You are wrong.

https://thehill.com/policy/internati...ezuela-tenure/

Guy should keep his fucking mouth shut.

He surely has already killed people by flapping those Big Mac portals.

[RX792P]

Yay...I think...
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...64395969123502

Venezuela is releasing large numbers of political prisoners as a sign of “Seeking Peace.” This is a very important and smart gesture. The U.S.A. and Venezuela are working well together, especially as it pertains to rebuilding, in a much bigger, better, and more modern form, their oil and gas infrastructure. Because of this cooperation, I have cancelled the previously expected second Wave of Attacks, which looks like it will not be needed, however, all ships will stay in place for safety and security purposes. At least 100 Billion Dollars will be invested by BIG OIL, all of whom I will be meeting with today at The White House. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DJT

$100 Billion?

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

nope US is not controlling at this time

So you have a reading comprehension problem? Read again what Trump said.

The U.S is controlling every aspect of life in Venezuela. Don't kid yourself. The new Venezuelan president will stay where she is as long as she follows Trump's orders.

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

So you have a reading comprehension problem? Read again what Trump said.

The U.S is controlling every aspect of life in Venezuela. Don't kid yourself. The new Venezuelan president will stay where she is as long as she follows Trump's orders.

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

So you have a reading comprehension problem? Read again what Trump said.

The U.S is controlling every aspect of life in Venezuela. Don't kid yourself. The new Venezuelan president will stay where she is as long as she follows Trump's orders.

Maybe not 'every aspect of life'...but certainly (Trump is)claiming to exert near total control of what is probably Venezuela's most important part of their economy.

We'll see whether (where?) any increased revenue will be doled out to Venezuelans.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

There is a huge difference but you are too blind to see it as most Trumpers are. This is the only time in my lifetime that the U.S. has gone into another country and deposed the leader of that country and taken control of that country. You might cite Iraq as similar but a total of 32 countries were involved in the Iraq invasion and an interim government was set up involving several countries, not just the U.S.

We broke international law. Plain and simple.

were you asleep the day Obama took out Gaddafi and instituted regime change in Libya?


did Obama break international law? by your account he did.



and for what purpose? Reagan had bitch slapped Gaddafi into a heel hound 25 years before that.



you do remember the 1980's yes? and Obama's Libya regime change yes?


yes?