Remembering this date five years ago.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

So what is the difference between a "riot" and an "insurrection" in your opinion.

riot

a violent public disorder
specifically, law : a violent disturbance of the public peace by three or more persons assembled together that presents a danger of injury to a person or property

insurrection

an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

To me what happened on January 6, 2021 was an insurrection. If you disagree, so be it.

the FBI disagrees with you and so do i



Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exc...es-2021-08-20/

Originally Posted by Precious_b

I have to say a moving moment to me was a video of Pelonsi calling Pence with concern if he was okay. Not many inside Hill makers media has been shown. Especially of the Official White House photographer that was with Pence at the time. What he recorded would be gold to see.



With a riot, the ring leader is the one who would be brought to justice.

Same with insurrection.

What is proven beyond a doubt is the donny was the one to incite people to the actions of January 6.

then why did Pelosi refuse national guard deployments? it was offered by Trump it was refused by NancyPants. this is a fact


then prove beyond a doubt your claim. and don't bother with edited clips of Trump's speech. that's gonna cost the BBC a lot of money to Trump


these news outfits like the BBC and CBS cave in to Trump not because he's some evil dictator but because they knew they lied and published fake news


Yes, Donald Trump sued the BBC for $10 billion in December 2025, alleging defamation and
unfair trade practices over a Panorama documentary that edited his January 6th speech to make it seem he incited violence, an error the BBC admitted but denied was defamatory, leading to a lawsuit in Florida. Trump claims the documentary deceptively spliced parts of his speech, omitting calls for peaceful protest, while the BBC intends to defend the case despite apologizing for the editing mistake.


editing mistake.



BAHHAHHAAAAAAAA

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

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then why did Pelosi refuse national guard deployments? it was offered by Trump it was refused by NancyPants. this is a fact

Uh, here's an actual fact.

No Direct Authority: The Speaker of the House does not have the legal authority to direct or refuse the National Guard. The D.C. National Guard reports to the President.

Security Structure: Security decisions for the Capitol are made by the Capitol Police Board, which includes the House and Senate Sergeants at Arms.



The decision on whether to call National Guard troops to the Capitol is made by what is known as the Capitol Police Board, which is made up of the House Sergeant at Arms, the Senate Sergeant at Arms and the Architect of the Capitol. The board decided not to call the guard ahead of the insurrection but did eventually request assistance after the rioting had already begun, and the troops arrived several hours later.

[69in2it69]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

then why did Pelosi refuse national guard deployments? it was offered by Trump it was refused by NancyPants. this is a fact


AAA

It is, in FACT wrong. The President has control of the DC National Guard. No one else can "refuse" to have them deployed. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been any NG in DC last year. I have no idea why this is so hard for some to understand....unless they are just propaganda bots.


the District of Columbia National Guard is the only National Guard that
reports only to the U.S. president.


https://media.defense.gov/2019/Aug/0...08.06.2019.PDF

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by RX792P

Uh, here's an actual fact.

No Direct Authority: The Speaker of the House does not have the legal authority to direct or refuse the National Guard. The D.C. National Guard reports to the President.

Security Structure: Security decisions for the Capitol are made by the Capitol Police Board, which includes the House and Senate Sergeants at Arms.



The decision on whether to call National Guard troops to the Capitol is made by what is known as the Capitol Police Board, which is made up of the House Sergeant at Arms, the Senate Sergeant at Arms and the Architect of the Capitol. The board decided not to call the guard ahead of the insurrection but did eventually request assistance after the rioting had already begun, and the troops arrived several hours later.

does the House Sergeant at Arms report to the speaker of the House?


Yes, the U.S. House Sergeant at Arms (SAA) reports to and takes direction from the Speaker of the House (or other presiding officer) to maintain order, enforce decorum, provide security, and carry out the commands of the House, serving as the chief law enforcement and protocol officer for the House wing of the Capitol


congrats you just proved yourself wrong. Pelosi wanted a riot for political purposes she's a fat tittied cunt who allowed a riot to call it an insurrection that it wasn't.

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

does the House Sergeant at Arms report to the speaker of the House?


Yes, the U.S. House Sergeant at Arms (SAA) reports to and takes direction from the Speaker of the House (or other presiding officer) to maintain order, enforce decorum, provide security, and carry out the commands of the House, serving as the chief law enforcement and protocol officer for the House wing of the Capitol


congrats you just proved yourself wrong. Pelosi wanted a riot for political purposes she's a fat tittied cunt who allowed a riot to call it an insurrection that it wasn't.

The claim that a Speaker of the House, such as former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, blocked the National Guard from the Capitol on January 6, 2021, has been widely fact-checked as false. Testimony and reports indicate that while the Capitol Police Chief requested National Guard support in advance, the Capitol Police Board was responsible for making that formal request, and initial requests were denied at the board level due to concerns over "optics". Once the attack began, both Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell called for military assistance, and Pelosi quickly approved the request when it was brought to her attention.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

the FBI disagrees with you and so do i



Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exc...es-2021-08-20/

From your cited article. ""Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages."

FBI investigators did find that cells of protesters, including followers of the far-right Oath Keepers and Proud Boys groups, had aimed to break into the Capitol. But they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside, the sources said."

I would tend to agree. The majority of the people who were present at the Capitol on J6 did not come there with the intent of storming the Capitol building and endangering the lives of many. But once there and the insurrection began many of those who came simply to peacefully protest got caught up with what the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys did come there to do and broke the law.

And your article finishes with "It was the most violent attack on the Capitol since the War of 1812, forcing lawmakers and Trump's own vice president, Mike Pence, to scramble for safety.
Four people died and another died the following day, and more than 100 police officers were injured."

That is an insurrection.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by RX792P

The claim that a Speaker of the House, such as former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, blocked the National Guard from the Capitol on January 6, 2021, has been widely fact-checked as false. Testimony and reports indicate that while the Capitol Police Chief requested National Guard support in advance, the Capitol Police Board was responsible for making that formal request, and initial requests were denied at the board level due to concerns over "optics". Once the attack began, both Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell called for military assistance, and Pelosi quickly approved the request when it was brought to her attention.

congrats you've just proved that National Guard was offered and rejected.



due to optics .. i.e. politics they wanted a riot. and that's what they got.



i find this most amusing.



"Pelosi quickly approved the request when it was brought to her attention"


that hag bag Pelosi and the DC board knew days in advance of possible demonstrations that could become riots. the FBI and the Pentagon warned of this.


to claim that NancyPants "quickly" approved action is a nonsense lie. they delayed deployment for hours for the political angle of allowing a riot to occur.



January 6th, 2020 (Capitol Attack): Transcripts and reports revealed significant delays and confusion in deploying the D.C. National Guard (DCNG), with some Pentagon officials reportedly hesitant or slow to authorize the deployment requested by then-President Trump, despite pleas from the Capitol Police.


optics.



BAHAHHAAAA

[Yssup Rider]

Jesús.

[RX792P]

Found it!
The long missing plaque has been located
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/...225042853.html

The Senate has agreed to display a plaque honoring the police who defended the Capitol during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack, rebuffing House Speaker Mike Johnson, who has said the commemorative memorial does not comply with the law.

The action happened swiftly, with brief debate, in floor action Thursday. Republican Sen. Thom Tillis of North Carolina had announced during this week’s fifth anniversary of the Capitol siege that he would seek to ensure the plaque is installed, partnering with Democratic Sen. Jeff Merkley of Oregon, who was also working on the situation, and Democratic Sen. Alex Padilla of California. No senators objected.

Even Thom Tillis gets it.

“A lot of people said it was a dark day for democracy,” Tillis said about Jan. 6, 2021, describing his memory of hearing the thousands of people — “thugs,” he said — lay siege to the Capitol as Congress was tallying the 2020 election results.
He said that because of the work of the law enforcement officers, it instead became a great day for democracy. “We came back and completed our constitutional duty to certify the election,” he said. “We owe them eternal gratitude and this nation is stronger because of them.”

As opposed to the 'his jaw jumped out in front of my fist' explanation of the White House website.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Why don't you watch those videos. ... Then you'll see.

#### Salty

We have. The only ones we haven't seen (to *my* knowledge) is all the media given to the investigation committee. What the public has seen overwhelmingly shows violent insurrection.

Could you please post where to find *ALL* the media the committee has? I will lay $$$$ it show a majority of violent actions than peaceful ones.

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Who is Mike Pence?? ... ... Nobody.

... Oh, the fellow who was VP some five years ago!

... And look at him NOW...

#### Salty

This guy?

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

the FBI disagrees with you and so do i



Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exc...es-2021-08-20/






then why did Pelosi refuse national guard deployments? it was offered by Trump it was refused by NancyPants. this is a fact


then prove beyond a doubt your claim. and don't bother with edited clips of Trump's speech. that's gonna cost the BBC a lot of money to Trump


these news outfits like the BBC and CBS cave in to Trump not because he's some evil dictator but because they knew they lied and published fake news


Yes, Donald Trump sued the BBC for $10 billion in December 2025, alleging defamation and
unfair trade practices over a Panorama documentary that edited his January 6th speech to make it seem he incited violence, an error the BBC admitted but denied was defamatory, leading to a lawsuit in Florida. Trump claims the documentary deceptively spliced parts of his speech, omitting calls for peaceful protest, while the BBC intends to defend the case despite apologizing for the editing mistake.


editing mistake.



BAHHAHHAAAAAAAA

Originally Posted by RX792P

Uh, here's an actual fact.

No Direct Authority: The Speaker of the House does not have the legal authority to direct or refuse the National Guard. The D.C. National Guard reports to the President.

Security Structure: Security decisions for the Capitol are made by the Capitol Police Board, which includes the House and Senate Sergeants at Arms.



The decision on whether to call National Guard troops to the Capitol is made by what is known as the Capitol Police Board, which is made up of the House Sergeant at Arms, the Senate Sergeant at Arms and the Architect of the Capitol. The board decided not to call the guard ahead of the insurrection but did eventually request assistance after the rioting had already begun, and the troops arrived several hours later.

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

It is, in FACT wrong. The President has control of the DC National Guard. No one else can "refuse" to have them deployed. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been any NG in DC last year. I have no idea why this is so hard for some to understand....unless they are just propaganda bots.


the District of Columbia National Guard is the only National Guard that
reports only to the U.S. president.


https://media.defense.gov/2019/Aug/0...08.06.2019.PDF

Originally Posted by RX792P

The claim that a Speaker of the House, such as former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, blocked the National Guard from the Capitol on January 6, 2021, has been widely fact-checked as false. Testimony and reports indicate that while the Capitol Police Chief requested National Guard support in advance, the Capitol Police Board was responsible for making that formal request, and initial requests were denied at the board level due to concerns over "optics". Once the attack began, both Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell called for military assistance, and Pelosi quickly approved the request when it was brought to her attention.

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

From your cited article. ""Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages."

FBI investigators did find that cells of protesters, including followers of the far-right Oath Keepers and Proud Boys groups, had aimed to break into the Capitol. But they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside, the sources said."

I would tend to agree. The majority of the people who were present at the Capitol on J6 did not come there with the intent of storming the Capitol building and endangering the lives of many. But once there and the insurrection began many of those who came simply to peacefully protest got caught up with what the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys did come there to do and broke the law.

And your article finishes with "It was the most violent attack on the Capitol since the War of 1812, forcing lawmakers and Trump's own vice president, Mike Pence, to scramble for safety.
Four people died and another died the following day, and more than 100 police officers were injured."

That is an insurrection.

A fake claim and multiple counters with supporting links to the ravings of one individual. Glad to see that there are people who don't drink the koolaide. Pity the sheeple.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

We have. The only ones we haven't seen (to *my* knowledge) is all the media given to the investigation committee. What the public has seen overwhelmingly shows violent insurrection.

Could you please post where to find *ALL* the media the committee has? I will lay $$$$ it show a majority of violent actions than peaceful ones.



This guy?













A fake claim and multiple counters with supporting links to the ravings of one individual. Glad to see that there are people who don't drink the koolaide. Pity the sheeple.

amusing claim. so what if Trump did call in the Guard without any other consent? can you hear the libtards screaming military coup! because you and everyone else here knows that's exactly what the libtard dems would say.



Trump did not incite an insurrection no matter how hard you or anyone else need to convince yourselves he did. i get it you all need to believe it to feed yer TDS. not Trump or anyone else could have predicted the riot happening even if they knew there was a possibility of rioting, like the summer of love which was 100 X times worse in every way. something else libbies refuse to believe or rather deny to preserve their fake claims of an insurrection.



or maybe the libbies only like their riots and no one else's? so selfish they are!!!



bahhahaaa



why again is he suing the BBC? for intentionally splicing completely different parts of Trump's speech to push the false narrative Trump incited an insurrection or even just a riot.

[txdot-guy]

You know who knows what happened, the people who were actually there like VP Mike Pence.

He said recently during an interview, “I think it’s very offensive that the White House used taxpayer dollars and a taxpayer website to blame Capitol Hill police for what happened on January 6. I mean, I understand the revisionist history that the President has tried to promote. But I think the overwhelming majority of the American people know what they saw that day, and I know what I saw that day,” Pence said.

He then criticized the webpage for blaming Capitol Police for escalating tensions during the riot on Jan. 6.

“But to seek to push the blame for that riot and the violence that ensued onto law enforcement, the very people whose courage brought an end to that violence, and allowed us to reconvene the Congress the very same day, and complete our work under the Constitution of the United States, I think was deeply wrong,” Pence added.

Who’s the liar here. Trump or Pence?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

You know who knows what happened, the people who were actually there like VP Mike Pence.

He said recently during an interview, “I think it’s very offensive that the White House used taxpayer dollars and a taxpayer website to blame Capitol Hill police for what happened on January 6. I mean, I understand the revisionist history that the President has tried to promote. But I think the overwhelming majority of the American people know what they saw that day, and I know what I saw that day,” Pence said.

He then criticized the webpage for blaming Capitol Police for escalating tensions during the riot on Jan. 6.

“But to seek to push the blame for that riot and the violence that ensued onto law enforcement, the very people whose courage brought an end to that violence, and allowed us to reconvene the Congress the very same day, and complete our work under the Constitution of the United States, I think was deeply wrong,” Pence added.

Who’s the liar here. Trump or Pence?

amusing. now suddenly Pence who you would previously deride as some vice fascist under Trump now he's some paragon of virtue. brilliant!


guess what happened in 2016? when brain dead joe was VP? Democrats tried to contest the electoral college vote and actively tried to get legitimately selected by votes republican delegates to ignore the voters of their states and switch their votes. Democrat politicians tried to challenge the entire process. did i mention trying to get republican delegates to disregard the electoral process to stop Trump from becoming president?


democracy!



right???


bahhahahaaa

[RX792P]

Trump did not incite an insurrection

OK, he only incited a riot.

guess what happened in 2016?

No one stormed the Capitol, doing ~$3M damage to the building . Josh Hawley didn't go running away. No one took a poop on Pelosi's desk. No one suggested hanging the Vice President.

[Yssup Rider]

The harder they come, the harder they fall.

The more they deny, the crazier they sound.

Aren’t they tired yet? THe MAGA Capitol Defecators have been trying to spin this for five years. But it’s still shit on the floor.

You’d think they’d be gagging on their own malodorous lie by now.

Jan 6 was never an “opinion” or an “alternative fact” or any question to debate. It was a fucking deadly attack on the US Capitol orchestrated by the loser of the election … similar in principle to Maduros refusal to leave office after the last election.

Trump is a maniac. His followers willingly did his bidding.

The world has never been the same.