Voter Fraud - Voter ID - REAL ID

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by RX792P

Turner 2099 brought up valid point that a REAL ID driver's license nor a REAL ID ID card prove citizenship, but only a legally in the country status. Regardless of state.

My REAL ID TX DL does not include human readable citizenship status.

We've kinda spread out to two versions of 'voter ID'...what's required to register to vote and what's required at the polling place.

- SAVE act requires proof of citizenship (a REAL ID is not suitable) to register. Does not address voter ID at the polling place.
- Most voter ID requirements at the polling place do not include proof of citizenship.

https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identi..._laws_by_state

So you agree, REAL ID isn't being used to disenfranchise voters? It sounds like what Raffensperger said doesn't make sense.

[txdot-guy]

Just because a plurality of people support something doesn’t make it good policy. Right now a plurality of americans support abolishing ICE but that’s just stupid.

If the federal government mandated that all citizens have a national ID and they paid for it from our tax dollars then I would have no problem with what you are suggesting.

I just don’t like the idea of politicians being able to decide who gets to vote and who doesn’t and voter-id laws are a way to keep some kinds of potential voters away from the polls.

If the federal government wants to keep voting fair then they should come up with a law to make citizen led redistricting panels the norm and to keep politicians out of the process entirely.

That’s a policy that everyone should be able to get behind.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I just don’t like the idea of politicians being able to decide who gets to vote and who doesn’t and voter-id laws are a way to keep some kinds of potential voters away from the polls.

Yes, MAGA Republicans would argue it keeps illegals and dead people away from the polls. Democrats ought to cut them a break, even though they may be wrong. It's in everybody's best interest if people believe in the integrity of the voting system.

[Budman]

I don't believe that a majority of americans want to abolish ICE. I do believe that a majority of americans want voter ID. Acting like this is a major inconvenience for poor people is bullshit. This is just more crap from the left. Anyone that doesn't want voter ID is OK with voter fraud.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Budman

I don't believe that a majority of americans want to abolish ICE. I do believe that a majority of americans want voter ID. Acting like this is a major inconvenience for poor people is bullshit. This is just more crap from the left. Anyone that doesn't want voter ID is OK with voter fraud.

I said plurality not majority. The distinction is important.

As I have mentioned many times before I believe that we should make voting as easy as possible, including mandatory voter registration, showing your voter registration card at the polls, Making voting day a national holiday, and allowing all people to vote including those convicted of crimes. There is no reason why we can’t put polling places in prisons.

My opinions by the way aren’t crap and until you find enough voter fraud necessary to swing federal elections then your conclusions are invalid and shouldn’t be used to validate public policy.

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by Tiny

So you agree, REAL ID isn't being used to disenfranchise voters? It sounds like what Raffensperger said doesn't make sense.

Raffensperger quote

Verification of one's citizenship status is a core requirement in obtaining a REAL ID," he wrote. "Requiring REAL ID at the ballot box, after updating the National Voter Registration Act, would strengthen election security and help ensure that only U.S. citizens vote in U.S. elections."
"REAL ID is the gold standard, and it is reasonable to require it to verify eligibility at the ballot box,"

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atl...JF7O6KAOODTVU/

I don't think voter disenfranchisement plays into it.
It appears Raffensperger is misinformed on REAL ID.
As pointed out earlier, REAL ID is NOT proof of citizenship, but only proof of being in the US legally (citizen or legal immigrant status)
One can have a REAL ID and still be ineligible to vote (especially in a federal election)

https://www.usa.gov/real-id

The process of getting a REAL ID and what documents you must provide depends on your state. In most cases, your state driver’s licensing agency will require you to bring proof of your:

Identity - To prove your identity, you can bring a U.S. birth certificate, U.S. passport, or Permanent Resident Card (Green Card) if you are a non-U.S. citizen.
Social Security number - You can provide your Social Security card, Form W-2, which shows your earnings for tax purposes, or a pay stub or paycheck from your job.
Residency - Your state department of motor vehicles may ask you for a deed, mortgage statement, lease agreement, utility bill, or bank statement to prove you are a state resident.

[RX792P]

OTOH, this could be considered to impede voters or disenfranchise voters

Steve Bannon

You’re damn right, we’re gonna have ICE surround the polls come November. We’re not gonna sit here and allow you to steal the country again. And you can whine and cry and throw your toys out of the pram all you want, but we will never again allow an election to be stolen.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I said plurality not majority. The distinction is important.

Pew Poll, August, 2025: 83% favor requiring all voters to show government issued photo identification to vote, 16% oppose.

Gallup Poll, October, 2024: 84% favor requiring all voters to provide photo identification at their voting place in order to vote, 15% oppose

Gallup, October, 2022: 79% favor requiring voters to provide photo identification at their voting place in order to vote, 21% oppose

Monmouth University Poll, June, 2021: 80% support requiring voters to show a photo ID in order to vote, 18% oppose

There are some Rasmussen surveys in 2025 and this month that indicate 74% to 77% of likely voters favor requiring photo ID. But I won't include since some here don't trust Rasmussen polls.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by RX792P

OTOH, this could be considered to impede voters or disenfranchise voters

You’re damn right, we’re gonna have ICE surround the polls come November. We’re not gonna sit here and allow you to steal the country again. And you can whine and cry and throw your toys out of the pram all you want, but we will never again allow an election to be stolen.

Steve Bannon

That's not going to happen.

[elghund]

In order to believe that voter fraud exists, you have to believe your local voting officials and election workers are criminal.

My local voting area is the town community center, and we all know the local officials and workers.

I see no one fucking with votes, even though I probably disagree with most of them on politics.

Any of you looking your fellow neighbors in the eyes and calling them criminal? I’m not. And, I live in one of the reddest areas of a blue state.

Just curious.

elg…..

[elghund]

Also, between driver’s licenses, SSI #s, Medicare/Medicaid cards, passports, Real ID…No ID…..ID this and that….oh, yeah show me your papers Mein Herr…..

Where does it end?

I have a passport, and use it as required. Enough with this bull sheet already.

And, this country owns the tech to go wireless with all voting. But it is not politically correct to go electronics because both sides use this fraud stupidity to keep donation cash coming in from people STUPID ENOUGH TO GIVE POLITICIANS MONEY!

Sheesh already….

elg….

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I said plurality not majority. The distinction is important.

As I have mentioned many times before I believe that we should make voting as easy as possible, including mandatory voter registration, showing your voter registration card at the polls, Making voting day a national holiday, and allowing all people to vote including those convicted of crimes. There is no reason why we can’t put polling places in prisons.

My opinions by the way aren’t crap and until you find enough voter fraud necessary to swing federal elections then your conclusions are invalid and shouldn’t be used to validate public policy.

so less than half of people want to abolish ICE. yes that distinction IS important.


would you allow convicted murderers to vote?



mandatory registration. how about mandatory voting? like Obama wanted?

Originally Posted by Tiny

Pew Poll, August, 2025: 83% favor requiring all voters to show government issued photo identification to vote, 16% oppose.

Gallup Poll, October, 2024: 84% favor requiring all voters to provide photo identification at their voting place in order to vote, 15% oppose

Gallup, October, 2022: 79% favor requiring voters to provide photo identification at their voting place in order to vote, 21% oppose

Monmouth University Poll, June, 2021: 80% support requiring voters to show a photo ID in order to vote, 18% oppose

There are some Rasmussen surveys in 2025 and this month that indicate 74% to 77% of likely voters favor requiring photo ID. But I won't include since some here don't trust Rasmussen polls.

a perfect segway to work this in! nice work Tiny!


CNN Admits the Vast Majority of Americans, Including Democrats and Black Americans Support Voter ID Laws

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/dmitri...er-id-n2670596


when even CNN admits it ... it must be true!!

[rooster]

Originally Posted by Budman

.....This is just more crap from the left. Anyone that doesn't want voter ID is OK with voter fraud.

Not quite.

We are not OK with voter fraud.

We love it.

Fucking love it.

Cuz we are from the Left.

And always looking for more crap.

(jeezis christ...whatta buncha...CRAP)

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[RX792P]

so less than half of people want to abolish ICE. yes that distinction IS important.

Not to derail thread, but remember that when one mentions 'landslide' as relates to our last presidential election.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by RX792P

Not to derail thread, but remember that when one mentions 'landslide' as relates to our last presidential election.

... And would o' been a BIGGER Landslide with Voter ID...

... "Voter ID is GOOD for Thee!" ...

Why don't the Democrats fancy it?? ...

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