Voter Fraud - Voter ID - REAL ID

[Turner2099]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

In California the process of registering people to vote at the DMV requires the person being registered to affirm their citizenship. The Motor Voter law doesn’t automatically register anyone automatically. It just offers registration during the process bu requires completing the registration process in full.

Otherwise they are not registered.

Now someone could lie and affirm their citizenship status falsely but the studies show non citizens don’t register to vote illegally. They just don’t even when offered the opportunity.

Just to add, someone doesn't need to affirm citizenship to get the license. California doesn't require citizenship.

[RX792P]

Voter fraud, ballot fraud, election fraud, election interference...call it what you wish...

Let's look at who is trying to violate the constitution and interfere with the election process...

Top bipartisan election officials from around the country are growing increasingly alarmed by what they see as President Donald Trump's unprecedented push to interfere in the midterm elections.

Who has called for elections to be 'nationalized' and/or 'taken over'?

Who is directing efforts to seize ballots and voting machines with no clear purpose? Even in US territories which do not vote in federal elections.

In another unusual move, the FBI this week invited chief election officials to a meeting to discuss "preparations" for the 2026 elections later this month. The meeting will include the FBI, Justice Department, Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Postal Inspection Service and the Election Assistance Commission, according to an invitation sent to an election chief and viewed by POLITICO.

Seems the only real purpose of all of this is to throw as much confusion into the air as they possibly can, hoping to delegitimize future elections.

[ICU 812]

Positive ID, Citizenship and voting: Federal law requires a voter to be a citizen . . .

How would confirming a voter's ID de-legitimize an election?

Can we expect to see federal law enforcement officers or agents checking IDs as folks stand in line outside polling places ?

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Positive ID, Citizenship and voting: fFderal law requires a voter to be a citizen . . .

So, can we expect to see ICE agents checking IDs as folks stand in line outside polling places ?

I'd really like to see aSCOTUS ruling on that before 2028.

https://www.ice.gov/mission
Mission: Protect America through criminal investigations and enforcing immigration laws to preserve national security and public safety.

Where in ICE's charter/authority are they charged with identifying/enforcing voter fraud?

Pragmatically, there are approximately 100,000 polling places in the US for a federal election...do we have that many ICE agents?



edit...I see you edited your post. Can you identify what federal organizations are actually charged with election fraud responsibilities?

[Turner2099]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Positive ID, Citizenship and voting: Fderal law requires a voter to be a citizen . . .

So, can we expect to see federal law enforcement officers or agents checking IDs as folks stand in line outside polling places ?

Federal law does not require someone to prove citizenship when they vote, so federal law enforcement officers or agents should not be at polling stations.

People attest to citizenship under the threat of perjury when they register to vote.

Even if proof of citizenship was required at time of voting (the SAVE Act doesn't even require this), that would be up to election officials to enforce, not law enforcement. I think that would be considered voter intimidation.

[Turner2099]

Originally Posted by RX792P

Pragmatically, there are approximately 100,000 polling places in the US for a federal election...do we have that many ICE agents?

Well, we apparently have enough ICE agents to send some to the Winter Olympics in Europe, so maybe. : )

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

In California the process of registering people to vote at the DMV requires the person being registered to affirm their citizenship. The Motor Voter law doesn’t automatically register anyone automatically. It just offers registration during the process bu requires completing the registration process in full.

Otherwise they are not registered.

Now someone could lie and affirm their citizenship status falsely but the studies show non citizens don’t register to vote illegally. They just don’t even when offered the opportunity.

Texas has motor voter and I was not automatically enrolled. I have had to overly submit identification of who I was for voting itself, so, *IF* that is recorded, than the possibility exist that the residency status would show up. But it could be that a more rigourous vetting process like the cali one above will occur.

Originally Posted by Turner2099

Federal law does not require someone to prove citizenship when they vote, so federal law enforcement officers or agents should not be at polling stations.

People attest to citizenship under the threat of perjury when they register to vote.

Even if proof of citizenship was required at time of voting (the SAVE Act doesn't even require this), that would be up to election officials to enforce, not law enforcement. I think that would be considered voter intimidation.

Not if donny has his way. And that will be the kiss of death to Democracy.

Feins to be about States rights but wants Gestapo voting laws.

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Not if donny has his way. And that will be the kiss of death to Democracy.

Feins to be about States rights but wants Gestapo voting laws.

The SAVE act won't accomplish a goal of requiring ID at the polls.

Nor would it take even one ineligible voter off the existing voter rolls.

Nor will it change the existing law that it is illegal to register to vote and/or vote if one is ineligible.

Nor will it change the fact that a vanishingly small number of people on the voter rolls and that cast votes are ineligible.

It would reduce the likelihood that an ineligible person could register to vote.

It would require additional tasks for certain classes of eligible voters that want to register to vote.

[Turner2099]

Originally Posted by RX792P

It would reduce the likelihood that an ineligible person could register to vote.

Typo? I don't think it'll do anything more to prevent ineligible voters from registering than what's in place now.

I think it will reduce the likelihood that an eligible person will register due to the barriers you reference.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

That can't be right in a couple of ways.

Positive voter ID only affects non-citizens attempting to vote.

Eliminating on-citizens from the voting process would only "skew" towards citizens regardless of their political leanings.

On this forum, we have been talking about this subject for at least a decade if not two. Ion that time, any citizen with a genuine difficulty getting together the documentation necessary to get an ID could have gotten that done. Today, there is still well over a year left to get it done for the 2028 election.. Call the county headquarters of the party of your choice and someone there will help you get it done.


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and now, regarding "the big lie" . . . .the b biggest politically founded 'big lies" in my lifetime:

Lyndon Johnson: the lie about Tonkin Gulf attack.

Baark Obama: "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor . . ."
and of course, " . . .if you like your health plan you can keep your health plan!"

The entire progressive left's efforts to keep Joe Biden in the/white hHouse; power brokers, administration insiders and every news outlet except for Fox telling us that President Biden was not a mental vegetable . . . .when anyone (and everyone) could see that he was.

Those, were and still are really big lies that affected millions of lives here in America and around the world.

there are claims that Biden actually died years ago and his clones took his place. Said clones looked different at each appearance seems to suggest they have a short shelf life.
if they were using clones, then they were running a zombie presidency.

[dilbert firestorm]

regarding voter fraud. does anyone realize that is not how you conduct voter fraud?

those found are red herrings giving rise to claim "voter fraud is negligible and so rare" propaganda.

you look at those tainted voter rolls, many of them are in democrat counties, districts and precincts located in inappropriate locations like business, warehouses and PO boxes. you find hundreds at one address which is a store and hundred at another address at one single apartment and another hundred at a P.O. box. there was several names were located at an empty lot with no building.

they're not doing it for shits and grins. They're engaged in identity fraud and voter fraud. To a lesser extent election fraud if election officials are aware of it and won't do anything or in some cases become actively involved.

this is how one would do it.
1. hire the aliens and other low IQ volunteers who should have known better.
2. buy ids from identity theft brokers.
3. give them pictures of the people they hired.
4. register rolls by the thousands.
5. get them on buses
6. give them fake Ids that match their faces once they reach the voting destination.
7. repeat 5 - 6

there is no way to detect that kind of fraud. they got the money to do it.

when anomalies are noticed, its explained away as "error" by election officials. they are covering this up. that is by definition election.
there are genuine mistakes and fake mistakes. so no investigation takes place as they are not interested in finding it.

True the Vote has noticed these anomalies and they have sued jurisdictions to clean up their voter rolls.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

In California... The Motor Voter law doesn’t automatically register anyone automatically. It just offers registration during the process...

It actually DOES register them automatically. Did you miss the part about "unless he/she specifically opts out"?

Voter registration should be something you have to OPT IN for!

As set up, the drivers licensing procedures in California are extremely lax and deliberately skewed toward registering to vote EVERYONE who walks into a DMV - citizen or non-citizen alike. When someone walks into a DMV, the first questions they should be asked are 1) what are you here for and 2) are you a US citizen? Non-citizens should be directed to a window to apply for a DL only. They should NOT be given the same dual application forms as a citizen.

And registration should not be based on the honor system. You can't just check a box saying "Yes, I am a US citizen" and be automatically registered without having to show documentary proof of citizenship. That's just common sense. Otherwise you are incentivizing the cheaters & fraudsters. Democrats in CA don't care because they know, as I stated already, "Once you're registered, the chances are slim to none that you will be exposed or expunged from the voter rolls". And whenever someone like me starts asking pesky questions, they always toss out the same rote talking point - oh, but "there's no evidence of voter fraud". Really? How hard have you looked? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. And you know I can't prove anything without access to your voter rolls. Why do you fight so hard against releasing them to be cross-checked against other databases? Got something to hide?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by RX792P

A correction...

California courts draw potential jurors from multiple lists (not just voter rolls), and if someone called for jury duty isn’t a U.S. citizen, they are excused or disqualified when that is identified...

Not a correction.

My post #73 specifically stated "potential jurors are called from the state's voter rolls and DMV records".

The fact that they use multiple lists doesn't allay a normal person's suspicion that if 450,000 non-citizens a year are being excused/disqualified, then at least SOME of them are on the state's voter rolls, since this was one of the sources.

[Turner2099]

Originally Posted by lustylad

It actually DOES register them automatically. Did you miss the part about "unless he/she specifically opts out"?

Voter registration should be something you have to OPT IN for!

As set up, the drivers licensing procedures in California are extremely lax and deliberately skewed toward registering to vote EVERYONE who walks into a DMV - citizen or non-citizen alike. When someone walks into a DMV, the first questions they should be asked are 1) what are you here for and 2) are you a US citizen? Non-citizens should be directed to a window to apply for a DL only. They should NOT be given the same dual application forms as a citizen.

It looks like they are given the option to opt out only after they are asked if they are eligible to vote. If they don't indicate that they are eligible the registration process must not even start.

15. How do I opt out?
When completing a driver license DL/ID or change of address transaction with the DMV, you will be asked if you meet the voter eligibility requirements. If you indicate that you are eligible, you will be presented with a choice to opt out of voter registration.

If you lie about your eligibility you go to jail. It's not a fine.

Corruption of Voting – Fraud or Impersonation

Every person is guilty of a crime punishable by imprisonment pursuant to Section 1170(h) of the Penal Code for 16 months or two or three years, or in county jail not exceeding one year, who (§ 18560):

a. Not being entitled to vote at an election, fraudulently votes or fraudulently attempts to vote at that election.


https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/cal...sked-questions

https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/pub...lty-provisions

[pxmcc]

^^good research Turner..