ICE: whistleblower report-we can write our own warrants to enter homes. who needs a judge..

[ICU 812]

Whenever anyone is interviewed by an LEO for even a minor traffic violation, they may lawfully ask to see one's ID. Inevitably, this ID is verified by the LEO to see if there are any other, perhaps more serious, issues to be looked at.

This is a normal for about any interaction with law enforcement other than saying :Hello" at donut shop.

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Whenever anyone is interviewed by an LEO for even a minor traffic violation, they may lawfully ask to see one's ID. Inevitably, this ID is verified by the LEO to see if there are any other, perhaps more serious, issues to be looked at.

This is a normal for about any interaction with law enforcement other than saying :Hello" at donut shop.

You might want to check your sources...

Yeah, In all states, if you are pulled over while driving, you are legally required to provide a valid driver's license, vehicle registration, and proof of insurance upon request.

Walking down the street, sitting in a bar or restaurant...
Whether you must identify yourself when detained (but not yet arrested) depends on your state's "stop-and-identify" statutes. An officer must have "reasonable suspicion" that you are involved in criminal activity to lawfully detain you.
Stop-and-Identify States: Approximately 24 states (including Florida, Ohio, and Nevada) require you to identify yourself if you are lawfully detained.
Non-Stop-and-Identify States: In states like California, you generally do not have to provide ID unless you are arrested, though you must still provide a license if driving.
Texas: As of 2026, you are generally only required to provide ID if you are under arrest, though passengers or pedestrians may still be charged if they provide false information during a detention.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by 69in2it69

A probable cause affidavit is a formal, sworn statement made by a law enforcement officer. It provides the factual basis needed for a judge to issue an arrest or search warrant. This document explains why the officer believes there is sufficient evidence to justify the arrest or search.


So every entry into a house that has been done without a judge's warrant has been illegal??

Officers don't always need a warrant to make an arrest, but a PC is required upon arrest unless there is an active warrant pending for a suspect's arrest. The Warrant is the PC.

[Unique_Carpenter]

I think there will be a news story in near future about what happens when armed men break into a house with a homeowner who has self defense equipment.
Oh never mind, there's a couple recently
Jan 15:
https://abc7.com/post/intruder-arres...-say/18417050/
Jan 18:
https://www.buckeyeaz.gov/Home/Compo...ews/News/2894/
Jan 2:
https://www.abqjournal.com/news/clov...a-week/2952984

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

I think LE doesn't need a warrant to pick up someone who already has been convicted of a crime and already has a open deportation order signed by a judge.

This wouldn't happen to me as I am not in violation of immigration laws and have never been guilty of anything other than maybe exceeding the speed limit in West Texas.

Oh . . . once in the early 1970s, I got pulled over for a broken tail light on my VW. I had longish hair back ten so I.m sure that some sort of profiling was in play. In the course of this interaction, I was frisked. It was winter in Michigan and I was wearing a ski jacket big enough to hide a howitzer in a shoulder holster (I had none). The officer told me to get the tail light fixed, and I went on my way.

This is a problem because they don’t have deportation orders. They are choosing to serve an administrative order without a crime or a judge’s order. Many immigrants who are in the country legally under the CBP1 process are waiting for a court date to determine their status for asylum or other immigration status.

The Trump administration wants to find and detain these individuals who are waiting to adjudicate their case. Keeping them in detainment until the case is resolved or more likely to convince them to self deport rather than stay in a detention facility.

Unfortunately the Supreme Court has ruled that searching a persons home requires a warrant despite who or what they are looking for. The administration is ignoring the law in an attempt to re-adjudicate the issue under the new Supreme Court.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

I think LE doesn't need a warrant to pick up someone who already has been convicted of a crime and already has a open deportation order signed by a judge.

This wouldn't happen to me as I am not in violation of immigration laws and have never been guilty of anything other than maybe exceeding the speed limit in West Texas.

Oh . . . once in the early 1970s, I got pulled over for a broken tail light on my VW. I had longish hair back ten so I.m sure that some sort of profiling was in play. In the course of this interaction, I was frisked. It was winter in Michigan and I was wearing a ski jacket big enough to hide a howitzer in a shoulder holster (I had none). The officer told me to get the tail light fixed, and I went on my way.

"Think" and reality are two different things.
Think is to speculate.
Reality is people, as you describe yourself above, and others have been picked up and arrested without a signed order by a judge. And many have been deported without having any criminal record.

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... The Illegals don't have the same rights as the regular citizenry.
That's problem #1 for the Illegals.

... Nor do Illegals have the right to NOT comply with the requests
of yer police personnel and ICE agents.

... Just SHOW yer papers... Show yer Work-Visa.
Show yer ID.. ... WHY is that so difficult?

... OF COURSE the ICE AGENTS can justify their-own warrants.
IF there's ALREADY a Deportation Order for the fellow in question.

... It's surely all a rather a proper process, mates.
... Collecting those Illegals who are subject for Deportation.

#### Salty

Can you specifically define what "Illegals" are.

Because people who claim they are some type of law enforcement have been illegally concentrating their attention on certain types of people who are legal. Breaking into their houses. Arresting them. And deporting them.

Maggies seem to have some type of disconnect between rule of law and heavy handed authoritarian tactics. Y'all are completely comfy but wait until you are ensnared in an ever increasing scope of net.

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Whenever anyone is interviewed by an LEO for even a minor traffic violation, they may lawfully ask to see one's ID. Inevitably, this ID is verified by the LEO to see if there are any other, perhaps more serious, issues to be looked at.

This is a normal for about any interaction with law enforcement other than saying :Hello" at donut shop.

Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

I think there will be a news story in near future about what happens when armed men break into a house with a homeowner who has self defense equipment.
Oh never mind, there's a couple recently
Jan 15:
https://abc7.com/post/intruder-arres...-say/18417050/
Jan 18:
https://www.buckeyeaz.gov/Home/Compo...ews/News/2894/
Jan 2:
https://www.abqjournal.com/news/clov...a-week/2952984

[RX792P]

Just to be sure, I'm carrying my passport card with me these days...even if I don't have that much melanin....

[Precious_b]

I wouldn't count on that RX

[RX792P]

More on 'administrative warrants' and warrantless entry...

https://www.courthousenews.com/johns...by-ice-agents/

The House speaker contended that Democrats were looking to raise barriers for federal agents by requiring them to acquire a judicial warrant to forcibly enter homes — though such authorizations have long been considered standard practice for immigration enforcement.

BTW...
Federal officials, including Vice President JD Vance and Border Czar Tom Homan, accused local police of failing to protect federal agents from protesters.

There are ~700 police officers on the Minneapolis force.
At the peak, about 2000 ICE/CBP/DHS agents in Minneapolis.

Doesn't it just sound a little strange asking/expecting the smaller force of MPD, who also have to contend with all the other crime in the city, to 'protect' a force almost three times their size?

[elghund]

Originally Posted by RX792P

More on 'administrative warrants' and warrantless entry...

https://www.courthousenews.com/johns...by-ice-agents/


BTW...
Federal officials, including Vice President JD Vance and Border Czar Tom Homan, accused local police of failing to protect federal agents from protesters.

There are ~700 police officers on the Minneapolis force.
At the peak, about 2000 ICE/CBP/DHS agents in Minneapolis.

Doesn't it just sound a little strange asking/expecting the smaller force of MPD, who also have to contend with all the other crime in the city, to 'protect' a force almost three times their size?

This is one of another set of MAGAtard claims that is so ridiculous it’s hugely laughable….compared to other MAGA lunacy.

The state and locals have far more work to do than guard masked thugs.

If the current administration wants to round up illegals….go for it. Stop relying on other people and agencies to do their dirty work.

If they went about their actual lawful business, QUIETLY, instead of making a public spectacle of every move, they would need no help….and get far less resistance.

elg……

[RX792P]

Related
U.S. citizens and legal residents sue over aggressive immigration raid at Idaho horse racing track
https://news.yahoo.com/news/articles...210148124.html

The Idaho families were among roughly 400 people detained at the privately owned race track known as La Catedral, located about an hour's drive west of Boise. The October raid came as part of an FBI-led investigation into allegations of illegal gambling, but only five people at the event were arrested in connection with the investigation. More than 100 others were arrested on suspicion of immigration violations.

Shortly after the raid, Homeland Security Department spokeswoman Tricia McLaughlin said that “ICE dismantled an illegal horse-racing, animal fighting, and a gambling enterprise operation.” However, court documents make no mention of animal fighting and the track had a horse-racing license.

[biomed1]

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