Please note that I know this post isn't on topic, but I am not using it to hijack the thread or guide it into another direction.
I did respond to items brought up in the comment I am responding to, but I ask that if anyone does read this off topic stuff and wants to provide any rebuttal, please do it in a new thread or PM me directly. I don't want this thread killed for anyone who wants to keep it going.
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Merely asserting that something is, or is not so, is much like a child saying that if they don't get their way they will hold their breath till they turn blue.
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Originally Posted by ICU 812
Simply asserting that something is so without a supporting argument is play-ground stuff on the level of "My dog is smarter!" .
The media does often "gets it" wrong.
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You never quoted me, so I couldn't with 100% certainty know you were responding to my comment about the subject of Penn Station and Dulles Airport being renamed after Trump (post #25). You now seem to have made it clear that your insult was directed at me, though.
Then you immediately made a very broad statement and defended it with loaded arguments. I am sorry if I took "media" to mean "news" rather than "opinion".
I then responded with what I considered logic and then you insulted me again.
I make it a point to include my resources and avoid making broad statements. If I do state something without providing a link to a resource, I write what I believe is common knowledge, not opinion. I believe that if you want to prove an argument, you must provide evidence.
You implied I asserted something without a supporting argument when I clearly provided links to the articles that caused me to post my comment.
If I write an opinion, I either make that clear, or I consider it so tongue-in-cheek that there's no reason to point it out.
I write nothing out of malice. If I ever come across that way, please know it's not intentional, it's most likely because it's a subject that incenses me or for which I have passion.
Fox News does that to me. Anytime I visited my parents, Fox News was prominently displayed on their 55 inch TV, blasting loudly on a home theater system they asked me to put together for them. I love home theater, so they ended up with basically Fox Theater. See, tongue-in-cheek. I had to tell them to turn the TV down when I spoke with them on the phone.
Fox News was on all day long. I once asked my mother if she knew that Trump was found guilty of sexual assault---she was surprised and said no. I know he was found civilly liable, not technically guilty, but my mom is not a lawyer. I also know that the judge in E. Jean Carrol's second (second!) defamation trial wrote in 2023, "It accordingly is the 'truth,' as relevant here, that Mr. Trump digitally raped Ms. Carroll."
If anyone wants a recap of something you might think would preclude someone from leading a what may be considered a predominantly Christian nation, I've attached a link to the story from which I grabbed the judge's quote.
I enjoy posting here because there are great questions and comments which generally come with data to back up their assertions and there are very few insults.
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Regarding whether or not the news outlets "get it wrong" or get it right . . . .now-a-days.
We have only to look back at a period we al experienced, from 2019 through the present. Most of the draconian dislocations of iour lives and Americsn Society in general were based on wrong assumptions and bad decisions. The media did nothing to dig out he official bull shit and we all were stuck with social distancing, masks and the suppression of any medical therapeutic intervention. . . .just to name a few things that were "wrong" about it all.
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Is the above an example of "making an assertion without a supporting argument?"
You provide controversial examples without proof "to name a few things that were 'wrong' about it all.."
For some affirmation of the success of social distancing and lockdowns, check out the review of 338 international studies found by following the link below.
"Nearly half of the studies included in this review estimated the effectiveness of stay-at-home orders, 79% of which were found to substantially reduce transmission."
There is no argument that proves COVID didn't cause the death of anyone. Reducing transmission reduces death.
Misinformation with regards to health and medicine has the potential to kill people. That's not a controversial statement.
"Initial laboratory studies suggested ivermectin might inhibit the SARS-CoV-2 virus in a cell culture setting, but subsequent large-scale, well-designed human clinical trials have consistently failed to replicate these results in people."
"Research shows that masks helped reduce the transmission of COVID-19, particularly when worn consistently and correctly. They act as a barrier to prevent the spread of respiratory droplets that contain the virus, serving as a critical "source control" to protect others, especially from asymptomatic carriers."
My opinion on history is that we're leaving behind an indelible record and barring any major catastrophe like a nuclear war or zombie apocalypse, we're leaving behind an unbroken stream of information which will prevent future historians from having to "figure out" what "really" happened.
As I see it, and this may defend your view of future history, the larger threat is current attempts to rewrite events. My examples are the holocaust and the January 6, 2021, Capitol riots. Both examples have deniers who wish to change the record and both examples have indelible proof that they occurred as initially presented.
I didn't write this to insult. Insults just diminish any discussion and make it personal.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...l/72295009007/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10446910/
https://www.google.com/search?q=does...t=gws-wiz-serp
https://www.google.com/search?q=did+...t=gws-wiz-serp
