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Old Yesterday, 10:12 PM   #1743
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Old Today, 07:47 AM   #1744
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Let’s debunk the whole “tariffs are a tax on Americans” talking point.

A tariff is a “tax” on the IMPORTER of goods to the U.S. which means by definition, it is NOT a tax on Americans, its an additional fee in the form of a percentage added on to the cost of the product being shipped into this country. Essentially, it’s the cost of doing business. As stated in the latest SCOTUS ruling, the president has the authority to impose tariffs on goods through multiple avenues. This authority was given to him by congress in 1922, 1934, and 1974 through different pieces of legislation.

Tariffs are paid to the U.S. by the country importing the goods, and they are collected by customs and border protection. The money then goes into the treasury, and is added to the general pool Congress uses to allocate for funding the military, Medicare, etc.

In 2025, Trumps tariffs brought in 287 BILLION dollars.

So, why do people say they’re a tax on Americans when they’re clearly a tax on other countries who import goods into America? The answer is simple, they’re lying to you.

What these liars are implying is because the cost of goods will go up for a country like China, THEY will raise their prices and charge American companies who buy the product more, which they will then roll over to the consumer, and they claim that is essentially you being “taxed”.

This is like calling the rise in price of a lobster based on season a “tax”. When in reality it’s just market value fluctuating due to mitigating factor.

The part none of these talking heads will tell you is tariffs hurt the importer way more than it will ever affect the consumer. If we charge China a 15% mark up, and they try and recoup 100% of that by passing it to the receiver in America, they’ll just find a new supplier that isn’t so expensive or make their product in America and avoid tariffs all together. Retailers will never raise prices to the point where they lose customers. Nobody is gonna pay 15% more for something that was 15% cheaper the day before.

What most businesses will do when we start imposing tariffs on other countries is build their product in America. That creates jobs, manufacturing, and over time, LOWERS the cost of goods across the board because now we have a competitive market instead of a market reliant on cheap shit from countries with no quality control and slave labor.

Tariffs aren’t a tax on Americans, they’re a tool to incentivize American exceptionalism, and put America first over the countries who have been ripping us off by stealing our production, innovation, and manufacturing, and then selling it back to us for 10 cents on the dollar.
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Old Today, 07:59 AM   #1745
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Justice Roberts:
Obama can force every American to buy health insurance, and hit them with a “tax” if they refuse?

YES.

Justice Roberts:
Biden can force federal workers to take a vaccine, even against personal beliefs, doctor advice, or religious objections?

YES.

Justice Roberts:
Trump can impose reciprocal tariffs to level the playing field and help American workers?

NO.

Justice isn’t blind.
For Roberts, it’s political.
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Let’s debunk the whole “tariffs are a tax on Americans” talking point.

A tariff is a “tax” on the IMPORTER of goods to the U.S. which means by definition, it is NOT a tax on Americans, its an additional fee in the form of a percentage added on to the cost of the product being shipped into this country. Essentially, it’s the cost of doing business. As stated in the latest SCOTUS ruling, the president has the authority to impose tariffs on goods through multiple avenues. This authority was given to him by congress in 1922, 1934, and 1974 through different pieces of legislation.

Tariffs are paid to the U.S. by the country importing the goods, and they are collected by customs and border protection. The money then goes into the treasury, and is added to the general pool Congress uses to allocate for funding the military, Medicare, etc.

In 2025, Trumps tariffs brought in 287 BILLION dollars.

So, why do people say they’re a tax on Americans when they’re clearly a tax on other countries who import goods into America? The answer is simple, they’re lying to you.

What these liars are implying is because the cost of goods will go up for a country like China, THEY will raise their prices and charge American companies who buy the product more, which they will then roll over to the consumer, and they claim that is essentially you being “taxed”.

This is like calling the rise in price of a lobster based on season a “tax”. When in reality it’s just market value fluctuating due to mitigating factor.

The part none of these talking heads will tell you is tariffs hurt the importer way more than it will ever affect the consumer. If we charge China a 15% mark up, and they try and recoup 100% of that by passing it to the receiver in America, they’ll just find a new supplier that isn’t so expensive or make their product in America and avoid tariffs all together. Retailers will never raise prices to the point where they lose customers. Nobody is gonna pay 15% more for something that was 15% cheaper the day before.

What most businesses will do when we start imposing tariffs on other countries is build their product in America. That creates jobs, manufacturing, and over time, LOWERS the cost of goods across the board because now we have a competitive market instead of a market reliant on cheap shit from countries with no quality control and slave labor.

Tariffs aren’t a tax on Americans, they’re a tool to incentivize American exceptionalism, and put America first over the countries who have been ripping us off by stealing our production, innovation, and manufacturing, and then selling it back to us for 10 cents on the dollar.
What we have here is a complete misunderstanding of the definition of “IMPORTER”.

The importer is a company or individual in the United States who buys goods from a foreign country.

For example if an American liquor store purchased Canadian whiskey to resell to American customers he would have to pay the tariff or tax to the American government.

That’s why tariffs are taxes on American consumers.

Importers are American companies and American consumers not foreign companies or foreign countries.
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Old Today, 09:29 AM   #1747
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BREAKING: In a devastating loss for the traitors, Sec. Scott Bessent reveals ALL FOREIGN TRADING PARTNERS said they're KEEPING the trade deals they made because of the tariffs

"All of them want to keep them!"

https://x.com/ericldaugh/status/2025...527856295?s=42
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Scott Bessent just DROPPED the mic on tariffs!

“The President, the Admin, remains undeterred in reshoring American factories and getting rid of these massive trade imbalances… The revenue for the U.S. Treasury for 2026, the projections, are unchanged”

https://x.com/gunthereagleman/status...453473075?s=42
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I paid the tariffs on items I imported, Bam. I'm an American.

I also know you have no clue what your copypasta actually means
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Trade war: Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent told CNN lower courts will have to weigh in on potential tariff refunds after the Supreme Court ruled President Donald Trump’s emergency trade duties illegal. Trump has doubled down on his trade war, announcing new 15% global tariffs in the wake of the ruling.
Pretty sure we know what the lower courts will say, Scott
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GENIUS TRUMP:
SCOTUS ruled basically that Trump was using wrong law for his tariffs, so Trump just issued the same tariffs under different laws and increased �� them by 10%. ��BOOM!��
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In 2008 I was a liberal and a Dem. I agreed with Bernie’s stance on tariffs. My views haven’t changed but now I’m “far right”.

For you lefties you surely also agreed with Bernie in 2008. What the hell happened to you? Did the MSM poison your mind, bad case of TDS or both? You should be cheering on tariffs but you won’t bc it’s Trump.

You’ve completely flopped your position. Cult? Brainwashed? Whatever you want to call it.


Bernie - “Free trade without tariffs will destroy American manufacturing.

Bernie also claimed that free trade without tariffs is a "right wing ideology."”

https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2025002353695322223?s=20
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In 2008 I was a liberal and a Dem. I agreed with Bernie’s stance on tariffs. My views haven’t changed but now I’m “far right”.

For you lefties you surely also agreed with Bernie in 2008. What the hell happened to you? Did the MSM poison your mind, bad case of TDS or both? You should be cheering on tariffs but you won’t bc it’s Trump.

You’ve completely flopped your position. Cult? Brainwashed? Whatever you want to call it.


Bernie - “Free trade without tariffs will destroy American manufacturing.

Bernie also claimed that free trade without tariffs is a "right wing ideology."”

https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2025002353695322223?s=20
Despite what Bernie said Free Trade is neither a right or left wing ideology and Bernie doesn’t speak for the entire democratic party.

Broad based tariffs rarely work to protect local industries if those industries are no longer able to compete with foreign competitors. If you want to bring back manufacturing to America from foreign markets you must find an industry that can actually compete and then let the government provide incentives for that industry to grow.

When Tariffs are imposed they artificially distort the market in chaotic and unpredictable ways. They also place an unfair burden on those consumers who can least afford it.

I don’t know of any manufacturer in this market who is willing to spend the capital to bring back manufacturing unless they are doing so with the use of robotics and other labor saving technologies.
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So are some tariffs good? Which ones?

And as an example why does Canada maintain high tariffs on US dairy products (often 200–300% on imports)? This is pre-Trump.

Carney has to see some advantage to this correct?
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Already in danger of being disingenuous by mentioning the tariff top rate but not mentioning the in quota rate or that we have a trade surplus with Canada on dairy and we export far more than we import

https://farms.extension.wisc.edu/art...nomic-impacts/.
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