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Old Yesterday, 10:25 PM   #1771
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https://www.economist.com/leaders/20...broken-budgets

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Loopholes benefiting the very wealthy should certainly be closed. The biggest problem in the American tax system is at the very top.
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Old Today, 07:56 AM   #1772
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Yes the economist has your the same biases as you. It hasn’t endorsed a Republican candidate for president in about 30 years. And your quote was from the editorial, not the research piece that I also linked to.

However, you selectively quoted the article. Here’s the whole paragraph.

“Loopholes benefiting the very wealthy should certainly be closed. The biggest problem in the American tax system is at the very top. The resetting of the basis for capital-gains tax upon death allows billionaires who hold on to assets, borrowing against them to fund spending, to avoid the levy entirely. The dodge is outrageous. Yet ending it would yield only a tiny amount of money, probably less than 0.1% of GDP annually. The same goes for raising inheritance tax, a good tax that has never generated much money.”

Of course loopholes should be closed.

Using the strategy above, the billionaire and his estate still pays a 40% tax on all the gifts he makes and what’s in his estate when he dies. Except donations to charity. Who would you rather have compounding capital and allocating money to worthy causes? Bill Gates and Warren Buffet? Or federal politicians? The politicians mostly won’t compound capital and grow the economy, they’ll spend it. And flush a lot of the money down the toilet.

How about allocating the share of taxes attributable to corporations founded by billionaires? That would be in the billions for a number of them. The billionaires pay far more than their fair share. And as the Economist says, the idea you’re going to be able to rob the billionaires to close the deficit and pay for the federal politicians wish lists is a pipe dream.
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It’s a pipe dream for a simple reason, there’s just not enough people at that income level to matter. You could tax billionaires 100% and it’d be like pissing in the ocean, revenue wise. Math is math. To increase what’s coming in you’ve gotta go where the money is, the middle class, like Nordic countries do. There, joe average is paying 60% off the top, in an artificially inflated COL, surviving off whatever scraps the government leaves behind. Funny thing is that most there are fine with it because they’ve never known anything else. They’re fat and happy little lemmings in their tiny, overpriced apartment, driving their glorified lawnmowers full of $10/gal gas.
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Old Today, 08:52 AM   #1774
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It’s a pipe dream for a simple reason, there’s just not enough people at that income level to matter. You could tax billionaires 100% and it’d be like pissing in the ocean, revenue wise. Math is math. To increase what’s coming in you’ve gotta go where the money is, the middle class, like Nordic countries do. There, joe average is paying 60% off the top, in an artificially inflated COL, surviving off whatever scraps the government leaves behind. Funny thing is that most there are fine with it because they’ve never known anything else. They’re fat and happy little lemmings in their tiny, overpriced apartment, driving their glorified lawnmowers full of $10/gal gas.
While I could care less if billionaires get taxed up the ass, mostly you are close in your thoughts.

The fair answer is eliminate the current tax laws, and negotiate a flat tax across the board. Everyone and everything (Corporations are not people, no matter what Citizens United tries to justify) pays a single rate, say 10-15% on gross income.

Rate can be negotiated and moved, but everyone pays the same percentage.

Raises revenue fairly, and is easy to compute.

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I could get behind that.
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While I could care less if billionaires get taxed up the ass, mostly you are close in your thoughts.

The fair answer is eliminate the current tax laws, and negotiate a flat tax across the board. Everyone and everything (Corporations are not people, no matter what Citizens United tries to justify) pays a single rate, say 10-15% on gross income.

Rate can be negotiated and moved, but everyone pays the same percentage.

Raises revenue fairly, and is easy to compute.

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I tell you what, I’ll agree to a flat tax on income when everyone gets paid the exact same amount.

Until then I’ll stick to the graduated tax system we have now.

If I make 50,000 a year and you make 120,000 a year we both still pay the exact same percentage on the first 50,000 we each make. You will have to pay a higher percentage on the next 70,000 you’ve made.
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I tell you what, I’ll agree to a flat tax on income when everyone gets paid the exact same amount.

Until then I’ll stick to the graduated tax system we have now.

If I make 50,000 a year and you make 120,000 a year we both still pay the exact same percentage on the first 50,000 we each make. You will have to pay a higher percentage on the next 70,000 you’ve made.
Nice, as long as there is no top end cap involved.

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I tell you what, I’ll agree to a flat tax on income when everyone gets paid the exact same amount.
There’s a word for that. Actually an entire political philosophy, one that’s responsible for tens of millions of deaths.

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If I make 50,000 a year and you make 120,000 a year we both still pay the exact same percentage on the first 50,000 we each make. You will have to pay a higher percentage on the next 70,000 you’ve made.
Why? The 120 guy still pays over twice as much as you. Sounds like garden variety jealousy and retribution.

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