why do you think that foreigners pose a greater danger than non foreigners?”

[elghund]

Waco,

Nice word salad that no one will read…..

All I said was in my area most person to person crime is committed by Americans, not illegals.

Of course illegals should be removed from the US. Just not the storm trooper way you like.

elg….

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

What lives are you trying to save here?

what American lives are you willing to sacrifice to allow millions of un-vetted illegals who will never qualify for asylum into the US?



that are committing serious crimes like murder? how much is a cheap apple picked by an illegal worth to Lakin Riley's family? they aren't getting 10 cents off the cost of an apple picked by an illegal are they? No.


how many deaths by illegals is too many for cheap apples and cabbage?



inquiring posters want to know!

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by elghund

Waco,

Nice word salad that no one will read…..

All I said was in my area most person to person crime is committed by Americans, not illegals.

Of course illegals should be removed from the US. Just not the storm trooper way you like.

elg….

and what about some one else? your argument that it doesn't directly affect you or me for that matter means nothing to those who it does affect.


Trump's "storm troopers" are the same agents Biden and Obama handcuffed to keep them from doing their jobs.



where was the outrage when Obama mass deported millions without due process? like many other presidents. why is this an issue now? because the left fears Trump and anything to do with America First.

[elghund]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

where was the outrage when Obama mass deported millions without due process? like many other presidents. why is this an issue now? because the left fears Trump and anything to do with America First.

The reason for lack of outrage against Obama was he deported people without masked thugs terrorizing Americans and murdering innocent American citizens exercising their 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, as Trump has done.

elg…

[Yssup Rider]

Nor did he demonize, marginalize and vilify them.

[rooster]

Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

The OP starts with a racial slur....

...I make the case of allowing dogs on the field during a baseball game....

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

What racial slur?

There isn't one. It is just a cheap trick to vent hate.

Meanwhile...he's posting about potential cruelty to animals.

.

[rooster]

It is a cryin shame that da Kid goes to such trouble researching objective, unbiased pieces like the one above only to have....no one read them. Ever. As far as I can tell.

Well....I did! And you're welcome! Cuz I have edited it for you so that you can skip to the most important part and get on to your busy day perusing posts about hookers....

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

....
https://www.city-journal.org/article...nt-crime-spree

...We have no reason to think....

(City-journal.org....jeezis christ...no agenda or bias there...)

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[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by rooster

It is a cryin shame that da Kid goes to such trouble researching objective, unbiased pieces like the one above only to have....no one read them. Ever. As far as I can tell.

Well....I did! And you're welcome! Cuz I have edited it for you so that you can skip to the most important part and get on to your busy day perusing posts about hookers....



(City-journal.org....jeezis christ...no agenda or bias there...)

.

feel free to post an article that refutes the claims

Originally Posted by elghund

The reason for lack of outrage against Obama was he deported people without masked thugs terrorizing Americans and murdering innocent American citizens exercising their 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, as Trump has done.

elg…

Democrats supported Obama and the press largely ignored his transgressions including 56 deaths of detainees in ICE custody due to lack of medical treatment under Obama.

[rooster]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

feel free to post an article that refutes the claims...

That no one will read also? Nah. Feel free to keep wasting your time though posting this biased junk.

.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by elghund

In my area, white knuckleheads are a bigger threat that foreigners. The police blotters are filled with white guys and girls with theft, violence and buying and selling [unmentionable] things they should not……

Very rarely are foreigners or migrant workers found doing anything wrong, and there are a lot of migrants here working the farms and orchards your typical American refuses to do.

elg….

Have you ever been a victim of a crime by a white knucklehead?

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Democrats supported Obama and the press largely ignored his transgressions including 56 deaths of detainees in ICE custody due to lack of medical treatment under Obama.

And Trump still can’t get over the fact that Obama gets away with it and he doesn’t.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by rooster

That no one will read also? Nah. Feel free to keep wasting your time though posting this biased junk.

.

so you concede my facts. thanks

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

And Trump still can’t get over the fact that Obama gets away with it and he doesn’t.

ask yourself why Obama gets away with it while Trump is vilified and you have the reason for the democrats intentionally causing protests that result in idiot justice warriors getting shot and then the press again vilified Trump when it was the Democrats who instigated it all along.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

ask yourself why Obama gets away with it while Trump is vilified and you have the reason for the democrats intentionally causing protests that result in idiot justice warriors getting shot and then the press again vilified Trump when it was the Democrats who instigated it all along.

It’s because Trump goes out of his way to piss people off. He’s being divisive on purpose. Obama doesn’t do that and the media coverage is different because of it. This isn’t exactly rocket science.

[pxmcc]

the facts..

A data-based summary of what research and official statistics say about per-capita crime rates among undocumented (illegal) immigrants vs. U.S. citizens—for both violent and nonviolent crime. (Important: comprehensive national data with status “illegal vs. citizen” are rare; most detailed analyses come from specific datasets like Texas arrest records and are extrapolated carefully.)

�� 1. Peer-Reviewed and Government-Linked Findings (Highest Quality)
�� Per-Capita Arrest / Conviction Rates
A rigorous peer-reviewed analysis using Texas criminal history data (2012–2018) is among the most precise datasets available because Texas tracks immigration status:

Felony arrest rates (per 100,000 residents):
• U.S.-born citizens: ~1,000 per 100,000
• Legal immigrants: ~800 per 100,000
• Undocumented (illegal) immigrants: ~400 per 100,000
▪ This means undocumented immigrants’ felony arrest rate was less than half that of native-born citizens.

Violent crime arrest differences:
• U.S.-born citizens were over 2× more likely to be arrested for violent crimes than undocumented immigrants.
• For drug crimes, citizens were ~2.5×, and for property crimes ~4× the undocumented rate.

This pattern of lower offending rates per capita among undocumented immigrants holds across multiple crime categories.

�� 2. Broader Research & Victimization Data
More general statistical sources (including national surveys like the National Crime Victimization Survey) support similar conclusions:

Immigrants overall (including undocumented) have lower violent-crime involvement and lower victimization rates compared to U.S.-born individuals.

Noncitizens (legal + undocumented) are significantly less likely to be victims of violent crime than U.S.-born people, suggesting lower involvement in such crime contexts.

�� 3. Incarceration and Conviction Evidence
Analyses using American Community Survey and state conviction data show that:

Incarceration rates (2023):
• U.S. citizens (age 18–54): ~1.2%
• Undocumented immigrants: ~0.6%
• Legal immigrants: ~0.3% — approximately half or less the citizen rate.

Conviction rates:
Undocumented immigrants had significantly lower conviction rates per 100,000 than native-born Americans in Texas data.

�� 4. National Crime Burden and Proportion of Crimes
Because undocumented immigrants make up a small share of the U.S. population (estimates around ~3.5% to 4% nationally), most violent and nonviolent crimes in absolute numbers are committed by U.S. citizens:

Non-citizens account for only a small percentage of total violent felony arrests nationwide, simply due to population share and lower per-capita rates.

(One summary commentary estimated U.S. citizens were arrested for roughly 97–98% of violent felony crimes when considering population share + offending rates.)

�� 5. Key Takeaways From the Best Available Data
Population Group Relative Rate vs. U.S. Citizens
Undocumented Immigrants Roughly 50% or less of the violent and total felony arrest/conviction rate of U.S. citizens
Legal Immigrants Lower than both undocumented immigrants and U.S. citizens
U.S.-born Citizens Highest per-capita rates of arrest, conviction, and incarceration across major crime categories

bottom line: both legal and illegal immigrants have lower crime rates than U.S. citizens born here. who knew..

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by pxmcc

the facts..

A data-based summary of what research and official statistics say about per-capita crime rates among undocumented (illegal) immigrants vs. U.S. citizens—for both violent and nonviolent crime. (Important: comprehensive national data with status “illegal vs. citizen” are rare; most detailed analyses come from specific datasets like Texas arrest records and are extrapolated carefully.)

�� 1. Peer-Reviewed and Government-Linked Findings (Highest Quality)
�� Per-Capita Arrest / Conviction Rates
A rigorous peer-reviewed analysis using Texas criminal history data (2012–2018) is among the most precise datasets available because Texas tracks immigration status:

Felony arrest rates (per 100,000 residents):
• U.S.-born citizens: ~1,000 per 100,000
• Legal immigrants: ~800 per 100,000
• Undocumented (illegal) immigrants: ~400 per 100,000
▪ This means undocumented immigrants’ felony arrest rate was less than half that of native-born citizens.

Violent crime arrest differences:
• U.S.-born citizens were over 2× more likely to be arrested for violent crimes than undocumented immigrants.
• For drug crimes, citizens were ~2.5×, and for property crimes ~4× the undocumented rate.

This pattern of lower offending rates per capita among undocumented immigrants holds across multiple crime categories.

�� 2. Broader Research & Victimization Data
More general statistical sources (including national surveys like the National Crime Victimization Survey) support similar conclusions:

Immigrants overall (including undocumented) have lower violent-crime involvement and lower victimization rates compared to U.S.-born individuals.

Noncitizens (legal + undocumented) are significantly less likely to be victims of violent crime than U.S.-born people, suggesting lower involvement in such crime contexts.

�� 3. Incarceration and Conviction Evidence
Analyses using American Community Survey and state conviction data show that:

Incarceration rates (2023):
• U.S. citizens (age 18–54): ~1.2%
• Undocumented immigrants: ~0.6%
• Legal immigrants: ~0.3% — approximately half or less the citizen rate.

Conviction rates:
Undocumented immigrants had significantly lower conviction rates per 100,000 than native-born Americans in Texas data.

�� 4. National Crime Burden and Proportion of Crimes
Because undocumented immigrants make up a small share of the U.S. population (estimates around ~3.5% to 4% nationally), most violent and nonviolent crimes in absolute numbers are committed by U.S. citizens:

Non-citizens account for only a small percentage of total violent felony arrests nationwide, simply due to population share and lower per-capita rates.

(One summary commentary estimated U.S. citizens were arrested for roughly 97–98% of violent felony crimes when considering population share + offending rates.)

�� 5. Key Takeaways From the Best Available Data
Population Group Relative Rate vs. U.S. Citizens
Undocumented Immigrants Roughly 50% or less of the violent and total felony arrest/conviction rate of U.S. citizens
Legal Immigrants Lower than both undocumented immigrants and U.S. citizens
U.S.-born Citizens Highest per-capita rates of arrest, conviction, and incarceration across major crime categories

your stats are meaningless given 30 million are illegal and an order of magnitude 300 million are citizens. of course the larger set has more crime. proves nothing about the fact that recent illegal immigration has spiked crime that's fact

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

It’s because Trump goes out of his way to piss people off. He’s being divisive on purpose. Obama doesn’t do that and the media coverage is different because of it. This isn’t exactly rocket science.

nonsense. that's the far left MSN saying that where under Obama they hailed him as an American Emperor of Rome.

the demonrats are fickle beasts they label their own as Caesar of the people and Trump and Republicans Hitler.


see the bias here?