What happened to America???

[lustylad]

You asked for "proof" that Biden's parole program was riddled with fraud, I gave it to you in spades, and now you're arguing the fraud isn't significant or concerning enough for you? Wow again.

Have you ever considered running for Attorney General or Governor of Minnesota?

Go ahead and read the internal government reports. Then come back and let us know if you still think it's just a matter of fine-tuning the parole program.

An online app + a "sponsor" gets me in... whoopee!!

[fd-guy]

Originally Posted by lustylad

You asked for "proof" that Biden's parole program was riddled with fraud, I gave it to you in spades, and now you're arguing the fraud isn't significant or concerning enough for you? Wow again.

Have you ever considered running for Attorney General or Governor of Minnesota?

Go ahead and read the internal government reports. Then come back and let us know if you still think it's just a matter of fine-tuning the parole program.

An online app + a "sponsor" gets me in... whoopee!!

That’s not quite what I said.

The reports discuss fraud indicators and weaknesses in vetting controls, which is a legitimate criticism of how the program was implemented. What they don’t do is establish the sweeping conclusion that the program was “riddled with fraud.”

Those are two different claims, even if they sometimes get treated as interchangeable in political arguments.

Which is why it helps to read the actual wording of the reports rather than the conclusions people attach to them.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by fd-guy

The reports discuss fraud indicators and weaknesses in vetting controls, which is a legitimate criticism of how the program was implemented. What they don’t do is establish the sweeping conclusion that the program was “riddled with fraud.”

Which is why it helps to read the actual wording of the reports...

Ok then, please cite the sections of both reports that proved to you the Biden parole program was NOT riddled with fraud.

And what makes you think the politicians and bureaucrats who created the program would not try to keep it going even after being presented with overwhelming evidence of widespread fraud?

[HDGristle]

After reading the reports, how many CHNV parolees were illegal? Please be sure to connect it back to the OP.

[lustylad]

Since SCOTUS is allowing trump's DHS to terminate Biden's reckless, ill-conceived, fraud-ridden and hopelessly mismanaged CHNV (Cuba Haiti Nicaragua Venezuela) program, they're all illegal.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Since SCOTUS is allowing trump's DHS to terminate Biden's reckless, ill-conceived, fraud-ridden and hopelessly mismanaged CHNV (Cuba Haiti Nicaragua Venezuela) program, they're all illegal.

Not only incorrect, but also a strawman. And you made no attempt to tie back.

That's approaching the social contract in bad faith and an excellent example of a social trend that has contributed to the changes the OP is noting.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Not only incorrect, but also a strawman.
And you made no attempt to tie back.

That's approaching the social contract in bad faith and an excellent example of oje of the social trend that has contributed to the changes the OP is noting.

Speak English, please. Nobody knows what you're talking about. Pretty pathetic when you can't even answer your own question.

[HDGristle]

I didn't ask myself my own question, or it would have been answered spectacularly.

Here's a hint. It can't be all of them. It's far closer to zero than to 560k

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

I didn't ask myself my own question, or it would have been answered spectacularly.

If you ask a question and claim you already know the answer to it, then won't proffer that answer while you proclaim everyone else is "incorrect", the only reasonable conclusion one can draw is that you're full of shit.

[HDGristle]

Or I'm waiting for you to answer the question instead of offering strawmen and projecting since you didn't do the reading you asked others to do

[jayzee43]

"Perceived corruption" means there's no proof. It's just the "perception" of corruption.

In reality, what happened to America is that enough idiots got together and re-elected the most corrupt president in U.S. history. And now they want to talk "perceived corruption" in other countries because of course they do.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Or I'm waiting for you to answer the question instead of offering strawmen and projecting since you didn't do the reading you asked others to do

Or you don't have an answer and you're terrified that your "pretend answer" would be torn to shreds if you dared attempt to articulate it.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Or you don't have an answer and you're terrified that your ""pretend answer" would be torn to shreds if you dared attempt to articulate it.

New hint. Pick a number between 0% and 20%

You notice how you're the one trying to say all of them while I not only gave you a total number on CHNV but I'm helping guide you to the range where you'll find your answer?

It can't be all of them because many of then found an alternate temporary status
or a path to permanent residency (which will be heavily vetted) that opens a posssible path citizenship (which will be heavily vetted). Many left the country on their own while the program was still going. So, we know "they're all illegal" isn't possible. So another of your arguments shredded.

Now feel free to get specific. Of the approximately 560k that were in the program, how many were illegal?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

CHNV ... brought in around 530k people in total... There was no dual-intent or direct path under that program to permanent residency or citizenship. And yes, this was a legal status.

Originally Posted by HDGristle

It can't be all of them because many of them found an alternate temporary status or a path to permanent residency...

Hmmm... just as I suspected. Thanks for blurting out the truth. Nobody believed your first assurance anyway.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Hmmm... just as I suspected. Thanks for blurting out the truth. Nobody believed your first assurance anyway.

That's you not understanding simple words or how this even works, Lusty.

The operative words there are "dual-intent" which has an actual legal meaning, "direct" which should be simple, and "this program" which means it was germane to CHNV only.

Someone who was on CHNV and was able to get a green card through marying a U.S. citizen did so indirectly. Someone who was able to find an employer to sponsor them for an H-1B found an alternate temp path that is dual-intent. And that will require another filing and status change to get to a green card but it can be done so from there directly with an approved I-140 and an I-485 if their priority date was current. Someone from Nicaragua who left and came back in through the diversity lottery went through a different path as an intending immigrant.

I know this can be complicated, but this is basic immigration shit.

Is my English good enough for you? Or do you want to pick on the 560 vs 530 typo?