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Originally Posted by Tiny
You're a smart guy Turner. You have so much potential. Please drag yourself away from MSNBC and put on your thinking cap.
My initial question was, "The income of blacks in the USA is lower on average than non-Hispanic whites. Which determinants are primarily to blame, for example, quality of schools, education level, systemic racism, neighborhood, parents in household, etc." I followed that with, "Show the list in order of importance." She replied with the following "Approximate ranking of determinants of the Black–White income gap."
1. Family background/parental wealth & resources
2. Education attainment & academic preparation
3. Neighborhood/geography effects
4. Occupation/industry distribution
5. Labor market discrimination/systemic racism
6. Entrepreneurship/access to capital
7. Field of study / college major
8. Other factors (health, incarceration, networks, etc.)
Finally in response to your post I asked, "When you say “labor market discrimination/ systemic racism” do you mean the combined effects of both?"
She said, "Yes. In the scorecard I gave earlier, “labor-market discrimination / systemic racism” was meant as a combined category, not two separate quantified items. Researchers often group them together because they are empirically difficult to separate, and they operate through related mechanisms."
She went on to elaborate on labor market discrimination and systemic racism:
Labor-market discrimination (direct or individual discrimination)
This refers to differences in treatment of workers in the labor market, such as:
Hiring discrimination (resume experiments show different callback rates for identical resumes with different names)
Pay differences for similar roles
Promotion differences
Higher job loss or unemployment risk
Differences in performance evaluations
These effects happen within firms or hiring processes.
Systemic / structural racism
This refers to broader institutional or historical structures that influence economic outcomes, including things like:
Residential segregation
School funding disparities
Historical housing policies (e.g., redlining)
Differences in access to credit
Criminal justice system impacts
Network and social capital differences
These mechanisms often operate before someone even enters the labor market.
To tie this all together -- blaming income disparities between blacks and non-Hispanic whites on racism among Republicans doesn't make much sense. Unless you're a Democratic Party insider or make money advertising to a riled up Democratic Party base.
I have no idea what CRT is, except that it's a construct of lawyers and philosophers, not social scientists and statisticians. As such it must not be worth the mental bandwidth to understand it.
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I actually don't watch MSNBC (MS NOW). I don't even have cable and haven't in years.
You should give Claude.AI a try and see what you think. I bounce around different versions of AI, but I tend to use Claude the most.
I think you confused ChatGPT by including facets of systemic racism along with systemic racism in your question, so when it ranked them for you, it ended up ranking items that are impacted or created by system racism. Combining labor-market discrimination with system racism as a category is a good example. Labor-market discrimination is an outcome of systemic racism, which ChatGPT actually alludes to further down in your post.
"Systemic racism (also called structural or institutional racism) refers to the idea that racial inequality can be embedded in laws, institutions, policies, and social norms —
producing racially disparate outcomes even without requiring individual racist intent. The argument is that systems can perpetuate disadvantage for certain racial groups through their ordinary operation."
The problem goes beyond just income disparity. Medicine is good example---there are disparities in Black healthcare that occur regardless of income level.
Our society is made up of more than Democrats and Republicans and I think it's more important to identify and address the root causes of systemic racism rather than lay partisan blame. The root causes do need to called out when identified, though. That is extremely important.
My point in all of this is to illustrate the need to discuss systemic racism and by extension, Critical Race Theory.
While CRT may have it's roots in academia, social scientists use it "to explain social, political, and legal structures and power distribution as through a 'lens' focusing on the concept of race, and experiences of racism."
A serious problem we face is that the current administration will not discuss these issues. Colleges and universities are foundational to research and Trump has pledged to defund them if they teach CRT or anything about systemic racism.
Don't knock philosophers---Aristotle and St. Thomas Aquinas made great contributions to science. ; )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critic...ory%20outcomes.
