Trump signs EO restricting mail in ballots!!!

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Like I said, gullible AF.

If you’re so sure that everything is copacetic, why the paranoia about insuring it is? Again, rhetorical, but the excuses are fun to hear.

The paranoia is real and it’s prevalent within the ranks of those who believe that illegal immigrants are voting in large numbers.

Those who oppose requiring proof of citizenship for voter registration don’t want to make voting any harder than it needs to be. I don’t have a problem with voter ID as long as getting valid voter registration is simple and easy to get.

Until voter identification advocates can prove that large numbers of non citizens are voting I’ll have to oppose the requirement for proof of citizenship as it puts an unfair burden to voting for many citizens.

P.S. Trump’s Executive Order is categorically unconstitutional.

[jayzee43]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

P.S. trump’s Executive Order is categorically unconstitutional.

Like I said, come November, nobody will even remember this was a thing. It will get laughed out of every courtroom trump tries bringing it to.

[Green_Mountain]

Originally Posted by jayzee43

Nobody has ever said that voter fraud doesn't exist.

I just posted a Brookings link that listed 39 cases - over 30 years. So yeah, it happens roughly once a year.

It certainly NEVER happens to the extent of coming anywhere close to swaying an election.

Are you able to discern between the two? It doesn't seem like you're able to.

It’s absurd to think “all 39 cases of voter fraud ever committed were found” and that’s all that there has ever been.

I literally may be able to list more than 39 cases myself with a combo of legitimate government websites and other links from local news.

You don’t know what you don’t know.

At least you’ve acknowledged voter fraud does occur. But you seem ok with it. The EO doesn’t stop ANY legal voter that votes today from voting in the future.

Based on your logic a little bit of tax fraud is ok too. Why are there audits? Oh, to catch the folks cheating the system. The Dems just aren’t interested in similar with the voting process. The soft lack of enforcement allows for fraud, which will almost always likely favor the Dems.

[Green_Mountain]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

The paranoia is real and it’s prevalent within the ranks of those who believe that illegal immigrants are voting in large numbers.

Those who oppose requiring proof of citizenship for voter registration don’t want to make voting any harder than it needs to be. I don’t have a problem with voter ID as long as getting valid voter registration is simple and easy to get.

Until voter identification advocates can prove that large numbers of non citizens are voting I’ll have to oppose the requirement for proof of citizenship as it puts an unfair burden to voting for many citizens.

P.S. Trump’s Executive Order is categorically unconstitutional.

How hard was voter ID for the other 175+ counties that have it implemented?

Are these countries a threat a democracy?

Who from the US will no longer be able to vote that can legally vote today?

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

How hard was voter ID for the other 175+ counties that have it implemented?

Are these countries a threat a democracy?

Who from the US will no longer be able to vote that can legally vote today?

The problem is the definition of “voter id”. Without knowing the requirements and resources available in the other 175+ countries there is no way of doing a comparison.

I think that you will find that in most countries that require an ID to vote there exists a system in place that issues a national identity card to each citizen, usually for free. If we did the same in the United States I would be for a voter ID mandate.

For instance in India, the world’s largest democracy with nearly 970 million eligible voters, issues the Electors’ Photo Identity Card, or EPIC, free of charge through the Election Commission of India.


Here is a good summary of the differences. Pulled from here: https://kimmonson.com/news/save-act-...uire-voter-id/

There is an important distinction between the United States and many of the countries listed above: most of those nations issue free, universal national identification to their citizens as a matter of course. France, Germany, Italy, Mexico, India, and Brazil all provide government ID at no cost. The ID card is treated as basic civic infrastructure, something the state provides so that citizens can participate in public life.

The United States does not have a national ID system, and the SAVE Act does not include a provision to create one or to subsidize the cost of obtaining the documents it would require.

This is the gap that opponents of the SAVE Act most frequently cite. The Brennan Center for Justice, which describes itself as “an independent, nonpartisan law and policy organization,” estimates that 21.3 million voting-age citizens lack ready access to citizenship documentation, and that 3.8 million have no such documents at all. Birth certificate replacements cost $10 to $30 or more depending on the state. A U.S. passport costs $165 for a first-time applicant.

The National Organization for Women, which describes itself as “the largest organization of feminist grassroots activists in the United States,” has noted that 69 million American women who changed their surnames after marriage hold birth certificates that no longer match their legal names.

When Mexico requires voter ID, it hands every citizen a free card. When India requires voter ID, it accepts 12 alternatives and offers a free digital download. The SAVE Act would require documentary proof of citizenship without a comparable mechanism to ensure every eligible citizen can readily obtain it.

[jayzee43]

Again, those countries all treat election day as a national holiday. We don't. That's by design to discourage people going out of their way to vote.

Make election day a national holiday here, then we can talk about voter ID, which, if left up to this idiotic administration, would be equally designed to discourage turnout.

[1#Ratt]

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

How hard was voter ID for the other 175+ counties that have it implemented?

Are these countries a threat a democracy?

Who from the US will no longer be able to vote that can legally vote today?

I know in at least one country a national ID is issued at birth or soon after