New to the hobby

[BigDeal]

I want to chime in but can't because if Katiforyou's avatar pic...I try and then I just start to stare and drool....

[Unique_Carpenter]

Well BD, if you see her in person, will you fall out of your shoes as well?

seahound, two of KC's pro gals have mentioned the key issues.
Have fun, and as a newbie, you will be screened heavily.

So, your current objective is to find a gal that we all trust, let them do their heavy newbie screening, and have a fun date.

So where can you find a pro gal you can trust?
Coincidentally, a couple have posted in this thread.

[HotKinkyCougar]

1) Get a disposable phone number, I suggest Google voice you can keep the app on your phone it doesn't look suspicious you can uninstall it and reinstall it your conversation stay there... You can text from it and make phone calls.. You pick a new phone number that's not affiliated with your life .
..never use your personal phone number!


2) If she seems too good to be true and has no references...then she is.

3) Always look for references.. ECCiE.. TER.. p411 .. OH2 stay safe

4) Only play with established providers.

5) Upon entering the room... set it on the desk, so it's out of your mind and it's out of hers. Don't have those conversations When you get to the room ..
.... You already know where to find that info

6) If it feels sketchy it probably is

[ReubenShowalter]

Originally Posted by HotKinkyCougar

6) If it feels sketchy it probably is

This would be my advice as well. Go with your gut...always. If something feels off, abort.

[victoryformation]

If you employ mongering street smarts and only hookup with providers who check these 4 boxes:
1) Website
2) Reviews
3) Teaser video
4) High-end hotel
(By definition, they are true professionals!)
And, it's going to be smooth sailing ... 99.999% of the time!

[Verified]

Originally Posted by seahound

I am getting into the hobby and needing to be discreet. I am getting a lot of requests to do a video chat to verify before setting up a time to meet. Is this common?

P411 is your new best friend.

[victoryformation]

Like I've said ...employ mongering street smarts!
i.e.
Make yourself a student of the game!
Peruse websites.
Assiduously read reviews.
Learn how to separate the wheat from the chaff!
Learn how to connect the dots!
(Know that EA and STG ... are filled with low-information, f##k-anybody providers!)
And more importantly ... know that LE uses them for entrapment ads to lure unsuspecting mongers in order to conduct their busts!

[TS_Audacia]

New T girl here. But I will just point out that I am part of an online community of more experienced girls and every single one of them require deposits and some form of verification whether it be ID and selfie or ID and linkedin or video verification. Just remember that while you are trying to protect yourself, we're trying to stay safe also. Are you a cop? Serial killer? Human trafficker? We don't know. With us you at least have some kind of online presence to go off of, but when we look at you, it's a black hole other than what you give us. We've already put ourselves out there to varying degrees and I think it's fair to ask for some trust in return.

That said I don't have the clout yet to be too pushy so I'm fairly low key at present. But once I can get some reviews built up and a website going, you can bet I'll be asking for verification and deposit.

[victoryformation]

Originally Posted by TS_Audacia

New T girl here. But I will just point out that I am part of an online community of more experienced girls and every single one of them require deposits and some form of verification whether it be ID and selfie or ID and linkedin or video verification. Just remember that while you are trying to protect yourself, we're trying to stay safe also. Are you a cop? Serial killer? Human trafficker? We don't know. With us you at least have some kind of online presence to go off of, but when we look at you, it's a black hole other than what you give us. We've already put ourselves out there to varying degrees and I think it's fair to ask for some trust in return.

That said I don't have the clout yet to be too pushy so I'm fairly low key at present. But once I can get some reviews built up and a website going, you can bet I'll be asking for verification and deposit.

This is a good post!
Creating a well-thought-out website is a very, very good idea!
Think about creating an enticing, 30-second, TikTok teaser video!
It's a good form of advertising, marketing and branding!
Good luck in your future providing endeavors!

[KCFalcon77]

Originally Posted by TS_Audacia

New T girl here. But I will just point out that I am part of an online community of more experienced girls and every single one of them require deposits and some form of verification whether it be ID and selfie or ID and linkedin or video verification. Just remember that while you are trying to protect yourself, we're trying to stay safe also. Are you a cop? Serial killer? Human trafficker? We don't know. With us you at least have some kind of online presence to go off of, but when we look at you, it's a black hole other than what you give us. We've already put ourselves out there to varying degrees and I think it's fair to ask for some trust in return.

That said I don't have the clout yet to be too pushy so I'm fairly low key at present. But once I can get some reviews built up and a website going, you can bet I'll be asking for verification and deposit.

And honestly its your right to do that. You will however be extremely limiting the pool of potential gents. There was a provider awhile back who found Jesus or something, and announced she'd no longer see "married men". Wow, good luck torpedoing your business with that one. As Big deal posted I'll pay a deposit IF, I know the lady has a sterling reputation and is a known quantity. Usually I pre-book weeks in advance, ( want to be on a top notch ladies dance card before it fills up, and I prefer low volume ladies). So I've made that concession understanding the cost of hotels, travel, etc.. these days. As far as giving out personal information, that's not happening to someone I don't know, anymore then you'd tell me your real name before we've met. New gents, get on a verifiable website like P411 and go from there. Stay off some of the lesser sites where you have NO way of verifying if the "lady" is real, professional, discreet, etc..

[TS_Audacia]

I hear where you're coming from. Requiring deposit and verification certainly reduces the size of the potential client pool, but not that much in the higher tier of clients. Because I'm starting out and the guys that leave reviews only like to see girls that have reviews, I'm stuck in listcrawler/stg hell until I break through. None of those guys will verify and it's hard to get deposits out of them. But you get ghosted on an outcall one too many times and you start standing your ground. I do require them for outs.

And by the time I start putting comprehensive verification and deposits into practice I'll be established enough to where I get to be picky and choosy and I don't need to worry about expanding my client pool.

But just know that it's common practice for girls on the higher end to require both deposit and verification so you're also limiting yourself and the quality of providers you can access. Particularly if you're ever looking at providers in more competitive markets like California or the Pacific Northwest.

[BigDeal]

Originally Posted by KCFalcon77

And honestly its your right to do that. You will however be extremely limiting the pool of potential gents. There was a provider awhile back who found Jesus or something, and announced she'd no longer see "married men". Wow, good luck torpedoing your business with that one. As Big deal posted I'll pay a deposit IF, I know the lady has a sterling reputation and is a known quantity. Usually I pre-book weeks in advance, ( want to be on a top notch ladies dance card before it fills up, and I prefer low volume ladies). So I've made that concession understanding the cost of hotels, travel, etc.. these days. As far as giving out personal information, that's not happening to someone I don't know, anymore then you'd tell me your real name before we've met. New gents, get on a verifiable website like P411 and go from there. Stay off some of the lesser sites where you have NO way of verifying if the "lady" is real, professional, discreet, etc..

I agree.And I also say, by limiting your pool of customers just because you're doing more safety checks and asking for a deposit
Would mean that the provider is taking steps to be safer?And I think that's more important

[KCFalcon77]

Originally Posted by TS_Audacia

I hear where you're coming from. Requiring deposit and verification certainly reduces the size of the potential client pool, but not that much in the higher tier of clients. Because I'm starting out and the guys that leave reviews only like to see girls that have reviews, I'm stuck in listcrawler/stg hell until I break through. None of those guys will verify and it's hard to get deposits out of them. But you get ghosted on an outcall one too many times and you start standing your ground. I do require them for outs.

And by the time I start putting comprehensive verification and deposits into practice I'll be established enough to where I get to be picky and choosy and I don't need to worry about expanding my client pool.

But just know that it's common practice for girls on the higher end to require both deposit and verification so you're also limiting yourself and the quality of providers you can access. Particularly if you're ever looking at providers in more competitive markets like California or the Pacific Northwest.

All sound thoughts. And I agree that higher end ladies have gone more that route. A couple of years ago, I'd NEVER have paid a deposit. Now I'll do it selectively IF the lady has enough solid information out there. Verification hasn't ever really been an issue for me. I book pretty much exclusively from P411 and have been a lifetime member for a couple of decades. I also enjoy repeat visits with quality ladies so that helps eliminate ALOT of these issues as well. I do understand the issues of both sides as new participants though, and i'd agree that you need to move to more reliable sources to advertise on as soon as your able to do so. This will make verification easier for both parties and you'll probably see a higher quality gent on average as well. Good luck in your endeavors...

[hounddog]

Originally Posted by Verified

P411 is your new best friend.

I second this. If a provider isn't there, I pass 95% of the time.

[TS_Audacia]

The hard part about getting started is that sites like p411 require you to have reviews from sites that they deem credible in order to set up an account in the first place and guys that leave reviews on credible sites tend to only see girls that already have reviews so it's exceedingly difficult to get your foot in the door. Once you get some reviews though, it gets a lot easier. But getting established initially is tricky because it's hard to find those reviewers who will see girls without reviews. It's a bit of a snake eating its own tail LOL.

Shameless plug that I am a real person and if anyone wants to give a new girl a shot, I'm right here. I figure if I can't get reviews right now, and I don't have the means with which to set up a website yet, I can try establishing that I'm a real person here in the forums lol. If you're into thick trans girls, slide into my DMs darling ��