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		|  02-25-2012, 10:10 AM | #31 |  
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			I love a bottle of wine or sex toys.Most men are really generous with me...
 and I am with THEM
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		|  02-25-2012, 06:43 PM | #32 |  
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				 Tip a Provider...... 
 
			
			Over the past two months I have helped the person that I considered a great friend...she is a well known provider...to the tune of $1,000.00, two tanks of gas, many times for dinner, lunch, helped her when she was sick, helped her as she was trying to get away from her so called boy friend as he was taking her money, beating her, trying to pimp her out.  Helped her to finally move away from North Dallas to another area....
 I never ask for anything in return!  What I received in return is.....a text message letting me know that......."I" told someone where she was located, and the information found its was to her boyfriend the next day.
 
 The provider said she heard a recorded message with my voice.  Why would I spend over 1000 dollars to get her away from this person and then.....tell someone where she is?
 
 I have provided my phone records to her so she can in fact SEE that I made no such phone call.  I have heard nothing in return.  I am of the opinion that she has not been very truthfully in her claims.  The bottom line is...just who is the dumb ass here?
 
 When they call you on the phone in the middle of the night sobbing so much that you just cannot let it go and you feel compelled to help....and when you do......help......what do you get in the aftermath when the dust settles?
 
 Sorry for the vent!  Just whomever reads this....beware!
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		|  02-25-2012, 07:10 PM | #33 |  
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				 Wrong Thread...here ya go... 
 
			
			
	http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=391002Quote: 
	
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					Originally Posted by Ghost_of_a_shadow  Over the past two months I have helped the person that I considered a great friend...she is a well known provider...to the tune of $1,000.00, two tanks of gas, many times for dinner, lunch, helped her when she was sick, helped her as she was trying to get away from her so called boy friend as he was taking her money, beating her, trying to pimp her out. Helped her to finally move away from North Dallas to another area....
 I never ask for anything in return! What I received in return is.....a text message letting me know that......."I" told someone where she was located, and the information found its was to her boyfriend the next day.
 
 The provider said she heard a recorded message with my voice. Why would I spend over 1000 dollars to get her away from this person and then.....tell someone where she is?
 
 I have provided my phone records to her so she can in fact SEE that I made no such phone call. I have heard nothing in return. I am of the opinion that she has not been very truthfully in her claims. The bottom line is...just who is the dumb ass here?
 
 When they call you on the phone in the middle of the night sobbing so much that you just cannot let it go and you feel compelled to help....and when you do......help......what do you get in the aftermath when the dust settles?
 
 Sorry for the vent! Just whomever reads this....beware!
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Count that up as positive Karma for you: 
You did nothing wrong or to be embarrassed about.  Move forward and learn from this experience.  I live by my motto (avatar):  NOTHING IS TRUE.  EVERYTHING IS PERMITTED.  Not that I will do anything, but I have to believe that someone else will.  Protect yourself at all times (emotionally, financially, etc.)  Live Life!
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		|  02-26-2012, 08:46 PM | #34 |  
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			Unfortunate, but thats why they call them hookers.
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		|  02-26-2012, 08:57 PM | #35 |  
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			yes i will tip if she does things up and beyond her normal menu if we are going to keep it between just her and me
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		|  02-26-2012, 09:16 PM | #36 |  
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			I must begin by saying that I truly appreciate tips and they are always most appreciated but never expected.   
But, how do the expenses suddenly become miraculously less when the indie is paying all of them herself versus the agency paying them for all their girls collectively?   
Expenses are not less for indies!  We pay the advertising, the room, the gas, the clothes, the nails, the toys, the condoms, the lube all ourselves.
 
Just because we are paying all the expenses ourselves doesn't lower the price of our expenses!
 
I've never understood why giving a gift versus a cash tip seems to be something different for you guys in your mind?  Unless you follow a specified gift/wish list, it usually goes to waste anyways.....where a cash tip would always be put to good use.  
 
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					Originally Posted by tonray  It depends. Agency girl who gives superlative service, yes. But indy who is already banking all the fee minus expenses, generally not. |  |  
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		|  02-26-2012, 09:38 PM | #37 |  
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					Originally Posted by Ghost_of_a_shadow  Over the past two months I have helped the person that I considered a great friend...she is a well known provider...to the tune of $1,000.00, two tanks of gas, many times for dinner, lunch, helped her when she was sick, helped her as she was trying to get away from her so called boy friend as he was taking her money, beating her, trying to pimp her out.  Helped her to finally move away from North Dallas to another area....
 I never ask for anything in return!  What I received in return is.....a text message letting me know that......."I" told someone where she was located, and the information found its was to her boyfriend the next day.
 
 The provider said she heard a recorded message with my voice.  Why would I spend over 1000 dollars to get her away from this person and then.....tell someone where she is?
 
 I have provided my phone records to her so she can in fact SEE that I made no such phone call.  I have heard nothing in return.  I am of the opinion that she has not been very truthfully in her claims.  The bottom line is...just who is the dumb ass here?
 
 When they call you on the phone in the middle of the night sobbing so much that you just cannot let it go and you feel compelled to help....and when you do......help......what do you get in the aftermath when the dust settles?
 
 Sorry for the vent!  Just whomever reads this....beware!
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Well Ghost, apparently you're new and got played. I was there once too. You should only pay escorts COD (cash on delivery of the services). Don't ever advance ladies any funds because they will never pay it back to you. I've never heard of one guy who loaned a lady funds who ever got paid back in full.
 
Second, why are you being called in the middle of the night. Get a hobby phone and wait 1-2 days before returning her calls. That way she will know you aren't at her beck and call.
 
My advice would be to now change your real phone number, get a hobby phone, and only pay COD in the future. Too many fish in the sea to mess with this one. Or as hobbyist say- "Always another girl at the next hotel"
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		|  02-27-2012, 10:11 AM | #38 |  
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			While tips are never expected, they ARE appreciated. It's like a proverbial pat on the back. Sure beats a smack on the bum for a job well done! LOL.
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		|  02-27-2012, 10:45 AM | #39 |  
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			Tipping is going above and beyond.  IMHO, most provider who go above and beyond do so only if they see a regular in the making.  Since I'll never be a regular I don't expect the above and beyond, and generally speaking, my expectations are fulfilled.
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		|  02-27-2012, 10:48 AM | #40 |  
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					Originally Posted by ICU 812  In the past (Early 1900s) the term "TIPS" is said to have been an acronym for "To InsureProper Service" and was given to Hotel staff at the START of a visit.  In this spirit, I often present a 10-20% tip before a session begins depending on the initial vibe. |  
Fixed that for ya. 
 
 "To Insure Prompt Service", "To Insure Proper Service", "To Improve Performance ", "To Inspire Promptness" or "To Insure Promptness."
 
I personally prefer the definition highlighted in Red.
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		|  02-27-2012, 12:00 PM | #41 |  
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					Originally Posted by pipefitter73  Well Ghost, apparently you're new and got played. I was there once too. You should only pay escorts COD (cash on delivery of the services). Don't ever advance ladies any funds because they will never pay it back to you. I've never heard of one guy who loaned a lady funds who ever got paid back in full.
 Second, why are you being called in the middle of the night. Get a hobby phone and wait 1-2 days before returning her calls. That way she will know you aren't at her beck and call.
 
 My advice would be to now change your real phone number, get a hobby phone, and only pay COD in the future. Too many fish in the sea to mess with this one. Or as hobbyist say- "Always another girl at the next hotel"
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I have known this provider since June of last year...been with her 12 times.....never had any problems until October.  She ran into a few personal problems that I wont mention......and everything went to Hell in a hand basket.  I suppose some people just dont recover.  I call this a learning experience and am moving on.
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		|  02-27-2012, 12:23 PM | #42 |  
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	I see the major difference is the time/effort it takes to pick an appropriate gift.  In my mind it says "Not only are you worth a little more money for who you are and what you have done, but you worth my investing my time.  I took the time to listen, read, and do MY homework about you.Quote: 
	
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					Originally Posted by Fallon Kelly  I've never understood why giving a gift versus a cash tip seems to be something different for you guys in your mind? Unless you follow a specified gift/wish list, it usually goes to waste anyways.....where a cash tip would always be put to good use. |  Generally I have gotten far more smiles from a lady for the right $30 gift than I have for a $30 cash tip.  I guess I don't see most gifts going to waste.
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		|  02-27-2012, 12:29 PM | #43 |  
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					Originally Posted by acp5762  Unfortunate, but thats why they call them hookers. |  
That's a very sour view of life and a very broad brush you are paining with.  It is no more vaild than saying every client is a male chauvenist pig.
  
It's also not why they are called hookers.
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		|  02-27-2012, 05:15 PM | #44 |  
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					Originally Posted by Ghost_of_a_shadow  Over the past two months I have helped the person that I considered a great friend...she is a well known provider...to the tune of $1,000.00, two tanks of gas, many times for dinner, lunch, helped her when she was sick, helped her as she was trying to get away from her so called boy friend as he was taking her money, beating her, trying to pimp her out.  Helped her to finally move away from North Dallas to another area....
 I never ask for anything in return!  What I received in return is.....a text message letting me know that......."I" told someone where she was located, and the information found its was to her boyfriend the next day.
 
 The provider said she heard a recorded message with my voice.  Why would I spend over 1000 dollars to get her away from this person and then.....tell someone where she is?
 
 I have provided my phone records to her so she can in fact SEE that I made no such phone call.  I have heard nothing in return.  I am of the opinion that she has not been very truthfully in her claims.  The bottom line is...just who is the dumb ass here?
 
 When they call you on the phone in the middle of the night sobbing so much that you just cannot let it go and you feel compelled to help....and when you do......help......what do you get in the aftermath when the dust settles?
 
 Sorry for the vent!  Just whomever reads this....beware!
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Ghost, i appreciate you sharing, i have had similar experience where i was burned in the dust. Except i bought this chic a used car, which she totalled. Yikes.  Kind gestures are never returned, but lies a what makes this business go 'round
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		|  02-28-2012, 09:27 AM | #45 |  
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					Originally Posted by Old-T  That's a very sour view of life and a very broad brush you are paining with.  It is no more vaild than saying every client is a male chauvenist pig.
 It's also not why they are called hookers.
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Well hell doesn't surprise me. You're one of my biggest critics. But I hear your critics claim that you're a demented little clown that often leaves his hotel room without his trousers on.
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