Repuke Platform bans abortion....no exception for rape or incest

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Doove

Did he have the precondition that there not already exist a bill addressing the very issue in the new bill?

No, Doofus, he didn't. Doofus, you have repeatedly, but unsuccessfully, attempted to misrepresent the truth, but you have failed to refute Obama's hypocritical vote against a bill which met every precondition he set. He voted against protecting the life of a 'living' infant. See where Doofus was earlier caught in a lie on this very matter @: http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=232

[CuteOldGuy]

Republicans don't like people making decisions for themselves any more than Democrats do. They just differ on which decisions.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

No, Doofus, he didn't.

So what you're saying is, the bill had conditions in it that went above and beyond his pre-conditions.

A bill must have A, B, and C before i will vote for it. But in addition to A, B, and C, you added D, E, and F, and i can't vote for D, E, and F. So i'm voting no even though it has all my "pre-conditions".

Explain how that's bad.

[CuteOldGuy]

Kinda depends on what D, E and F are, doesn't it?

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Doove

So what you're saying is, the bill had conditions in it that went above and beyond his pre-conditions.

A bill must have A, B, and C before i will vote for it. But in addition to A, B, and C, you added D, E, and F, and i can't vote for D, E, and F. So i'm voting no even though it has all my "pre-conditions".

Explain how that's bad.

Doofus, you lie, obfuscate and deceive. The Illinois legislation in 2001, 2002 and 2003 that Odumbo opposed would have defined any aborted fetus that showed signs of life as a "born alive infant" entitled to legal protection, even if doctors believe it could not survive.

This is Illinois Bill SB 1082:

LRB093 10540 MKM 10794 b 1 AN ACT concerning infants who are born alive. 2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, 3 represented in the General Assembly: 4 Section 5. The Statute on Statutes is amended by adding 5 Section 1.36 as follows: 6 (5 ILCS 70/1.36 new) 7 Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant. 8 (a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any 9 rule, regulation, or interpretation of the various 10 administrative agencies of this State, the words "person", 11 "human being", "child", and "individual" include every infant 12 member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any 13 stage of development. 14 (b) As used in this Section, the term "born alive", with 15 respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the 16 complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that 17 member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion 18 or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of 19 the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary 20 muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been 21 cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction 22 occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean 23 section, or induced abortion. 24 (c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall 25 be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate 26 protection under the law.27 Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon 28 becoming law.

Doofus, you have repeatedly failed to refute Odumbo hypocritically voting against a bill which met every precondition he set. Bottom line, Doofus, Odumbo voted against protecting the life of a 'living' infant: that's the reality of your "D, E and F".

[Doove]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Kinda depends on what D, E and F are, doesn't it?

It does. But it should lay to rest the argument that Obama somehow hypocritically voted against a bill that met every "pre-condition" that he set.

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Doofus, you have repeatedly failed to refute Odumbo hypocritically voting against a bill which met every precondition he set.

Because of post #93, you need to do better.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Doove

It does. But it should lay to rest the argument that Obama somehow hypocritically voted against a bill that met every "pre-condition" that he set.



Because of post #93, you need to do better.

Doofus, you continue to lie, obfuscate and deceive. The Illinois legislation in 2001, 2002 and 2003 that Odumbo opposed would have defined any aborted fetus that showed signs of life as a "born alive infant" entitled to legal protection, even if doctors believe it could not survive.

This is Illinois Bill SB 1082:

LRB093 10540 MKM 10794 b 1 AN ACT concerning infants who are born alive. 2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, 3 represented in the General Assembly: 4 Section 5. The Statute on Statutes is amended by adding 5 Section 1.36 as follows: 6 (5 ILCS 70/1.36 new) 7 Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant. 8 (a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any 9 rule, regulation, or interpretation of the various 10 administrative agencies of this State, the words "person", 11 "human being", "child", and "individual" include every infant 12 member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any 13 stage of development. 14 (b) As used in this Section, the term "born alive", with 15 respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the 16 complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that 17 member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion 18 or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of 19 the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary 20 muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been 21 cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction 22 occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean 23 section, or induced abortion. 24 (c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall 25 be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate 26 protection under the law.27 Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon 28 becoming law.

Doofus, you have repeatedly failed to refute Odumbo hypocritically voting against a bill which met every precondition he set. Bottom line, Doofus, Odumbo voted against protecting the life of a 'living' infant: that's the reality of your "D, E and F".

See where Doofus was earlier caught in a lie on this very matter @: http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=2 32

[Doove]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Doofus, you continue to lie, obfuscate and deceive. The Illinois legislation in 2001, 2002 and 2003 that Odumbo opposed would have defined any aborted fetus that showed signs of life as a "born alive infant" entitled to legal protection, even if doctors believe it could not survive.

This is Illinois Bill SB 1082:

LRB093 10540 MKM 10794 b 1 AN ACT concerning infants who are born alive. 2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, 3 represented in the General Assembly: 4 Section 5. The Statute on Statutes is amended by adding 5 Section 1.36 as follows: 6 (5 ILCS 70/1.36 new) 7 Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant. 8 (a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any 9 rule, regulation, or interpretation of the various 10 administrative agencies of this State, the words "person", 11 "human being", "child", and "individual" include every infant 12 member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any 13 stage of development. 14 (b) As used in this Section, the term "born alive", with 15 respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the 16 complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that 17 member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion 18 or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of 19 the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary 20 muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been 21 cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction 22 occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean 23 section, or induced abortion. 24 (c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall 25 be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate 26 protection under the law.27 Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon 28 becoming law.

Doofus, you have repeatedly failed to refute Odumbo hypocritically voting against a bill which met every precondition he set. Bottom line, Doofus, Odumbo voted against protecting the life of a 'living' infant: that's the reality of your "D, E and F".

See where Doofus was earlier caught in a lie on this very matter @: http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=2 32

Because of post #93, you need to do better.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Doove

Because of post #93, you need to do better.

Because of your last two posts, Doofus, you need to re-read Illinois Bill SB 1082 that would have defined any aborted fetus that showed signs of life as a "born alive infant" entitled to legal protection, even if doctors believe it could not survive.

This is Illinois Bill SB 1082:

LRB093 10540 MKM 10794 b 1 AN ACT concerning infants who are born alive. 2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, 3 represented in the General Assembly: 4 Section 5. The Statute on Statutes is amended by adding 5 Section 1.36 as follows: 6 (5 ILCS 70/1.36 new) 7 Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant. 8 (a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any 9 rule, regulation, or interpretation of the various 10 administrative agencies of this State, the words "person", 11 "human being", "child", and "individual" include every infant 12 member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any 13 stage of development. 14 (b) As used in this Section, the term "born alive", with 15 respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the 16 complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that 17 member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion 18 or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of 19 the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary 20 muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been 21 cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction 22 occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean 23 section, or induced abortion. 24 (c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall 25 be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate 26 protection under the law.27 Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon 28 becoming law.

Now that you have re-read Illinois Bill SB 1082, Doofus, you need to get it through your pointed little head that Odumbo voted against protecting the life of a 'living' infant even though the bill met every precondition Odumbo set.

See where Doofus was earlier caught in a lie on this very matter @: http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=2 32

[Doove]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Because of your last two posts, Doofus, you need to re-read Illinois Bill SB 1082 that would have defined any aborted fetus that showed signs of life as a "born alive infant" entitled to legal protection, even if doctors believe it could not survive.

This is Illinois Bill SB 1082:

LRB093 10540 MKM 10794 b 1 AN ACT concerning infants who are born alive. 2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, 3 represented in the General Assembly: 4 Section 5. The Statute on Statutes is amended by adding 5 Section 1.36 as follows: 6 (5 ILCS 70/1.36 new) 7 Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant. 8 (a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any 9 rule, regulation, or interpretation of the various 10 administrative agencies of this State, the words "person", 11 "human being", "child", and "individual" include every infant 12 member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any 13 stage of development. 14 (b) As used in this Section, the term "born alive", with 15 respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the 16 complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that 17 member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion 18 or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of 19 the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary 20 muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been 21 cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction 22 occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean 23 section, or induced abortion. 24 (c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall 25 be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate 26 protection under the law.27 Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon 28 becoming law.

Now that you have re-read Illinois Bill SB 1082, Doofus, you need to get it through your pointed little head that Odumbo voted against protecting the life of a 'living' infant even though the bill met every precondition Odumbo set.

See where Doofus was earlier caught in a lie on this very matter @: http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=2 32

Because of post #93, you need to do better.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Doove

Because of post #93, you need to do better.

Because of your last three posts, Doofus, you need to re-read Illinois Bill SB 1082 that would have defined any aborted fetus that showed signs of life as a "born alive infant" entitled to legal protection, even if doctors believe it could not survive.

This is Illinois Bill SB 1082:

LRB093 10540 MKM 10794 b 1 AN ACT concerning infants who are born alive. 2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, 3 represented in the General Assembly: 4 Section 5. The Statute on Statutes is amended by adding 5 Section 1.36 as follows: 6 (5 ILCS 70/1.36 new) 7 Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant. 8 (a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any 9 rule, regulation, or interpretation of the various 10 administrative agencies of this State, the words "person", 11 "human being", "child", and "individual" include every infant 12 member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any 13 stage of development. 14 (b) As used in this Section, the term "born alive", with 15 respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the 16 complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that 17 member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion 18 or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of 19 the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary 20 muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been 21 cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction 22 occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean 23 section, or induced abortion. 24 (c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall 25 be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate 26 protection under the law.27 Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon 28 becoming law.

Now that you have re-read Illinois Bill SB 1082, Doofus, you need to get it through your pointed little head that Odumbo voted against protecting the life of a 'living' infant even though the bill met every precondition Odumbo set.

See where Doofus was earlier caught in a lie on this very matter @: http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=2 32

[Doove]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Because of your last three posts, Doofus, you need to re-read Illinois Bill SB 1082 that would have defined any aborted fetus that showed signs of life as a "born alive infant" entitled to legal protection, even if doctors believe it could not survive.

This is Illinois Bill SB 1082:

LRB093 10540 MKM 10794 b 1 AN ACT concerning infants who are born alive. 2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, 3 represented in the General Assembly: 4 Section 5. The Statute on Statutes is amended by adding 5 Section 1.36 as follows: 6 (5 ILCS 70/1.36 new) 7 Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant. 8 (a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any 9 rule, regulation, or interpretation of the various 10 administrative agencies of this State, the words "person", 11 "human being", "child", and "individual" include every infant 12 member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any 13 stage of development. 14 (b) As used in this Section, the term "born alive", with 15 respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the 16 complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that 17 member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion 18 or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of 19 the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary 20 muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been 21 cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction 22 occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean 23 section, or induced abortion. 24 (c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall 25 be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate 26 protection under the law.27 Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon 28 becoming law.

Now that you have re-read Illinois Bill SB 1082, Doofus, you need to get it through your pointed little head that Odumbo voted against protecting the life of a 'living' infant even though the bill met every precondition Odumbo set.

See where Doofus was earlier caught in a lie on this very matter @: http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=2 32

When you've got something new to offer, let me know.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Doove

When you've got something new to offer, let me know.

The only thing that is required, Doofus, is for you to quit lying. See where Doofus was earlier caught in a lie on this very matter @: http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=2215258&postcou nt=232

Because of your last four posts, Doofus, you need to re-read Illinois Bill SB 1082 that would have defined any aborted fetus that showed signs of life as a "born alive infant" entitled to legal protection, even if doctors believe it could not survive.

This is Illinois Bill SB 1082:

LRB093 10540 MKM 10794 b 1 AN ACT concerning infants who are born alive. 2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, 3 represented in the General Assembly: 4 Section 5. The Statute on Statutes is amended by adding 5 Section 1.36 as follows: 6 (5 ILCS 70/1.36 new) 7 Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant. 8 (a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any 9 rule, regulation, or interpretation of the various 10 administrative agencies of this State, the words "person", 11 "human being", "child", and "individual" include every infant 12 member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any 13 stage of development. 14 (b) As used in this Section, the term "born alive", with 15 respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the 16 complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that 17 member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion 18 or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of 19 the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary 20 muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been 21 cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction 22 occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean 23 section, or induced abortion. 24 (c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall 25 be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate 26 protection under the law.27 Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon 28 becoming law.

Now that you have re-read Illinois Bill SB 1082, Doofus, you need to get it through your pointed little head that Odumbo voted against protecting the life of a 'living' infant even though the bill met every precondition Odumbo set.