Poll Says That A Majority Of Millenials Believe Dropping A-Bombs Was Wrong

[dilbert firestorm]

FYI. historical note.

Japan & Russia are still officially at war as a peace treaty was never signed. why? Japan won't sign it until the 4 islands are returned to them. Russia refuses to do so given that they were spoils of war.

[dilbert firestorm]

The Yalta conference was a bad agreement that resulted in unintended consequences for europe, korea & vietnam.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by andymarksman

And Germans too. Wondering why Stalin launched his June offensive without waiting for the Allies and Germans bled each white in Normandy....

The Soviet stall did, in fact, come after the Allied invasion at Normandy.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

and he was late to the game. a non-factor. his hatred of Hitler delayed him. did you know that Germany and Japan had a plan to link up and control all of Eurasia? two things stopped that .. Hitler's stupid plan to "crush Russia" and thus cause the three Longest sieges in military history .. where they could have easily bypassed Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad. thus easily defeating the USSR.

what invasion of japan would have happened if Germany had not botched Operation Barbarossa?

Japan never had any chance to move out of China into the USSR proper. for one reason only .. the US Navy and USMC

Ollie Stone that libtard faggot claims the USSR won WWII .. because they lost the most troops. ahahahahaha. all of those troops carried The Russians hate the German far more than they hated Stalin in 1945. They didn't know what was to come. They still hate the Germans to this day. They advanced because it was payback time and they were getting to go into Berlin AMERICAN weapons. and all of them fought to the death because of two reasons. first, Stalin would have executed any retreating troops. and Hitler, total maniac that he was, initiated a "scored earth" policy in invading Russia. They usually do scorched earth during a retreat. You don't destroy resources until you know you can't use them.most Russians hated Stalin due to his purges and gulags.
Wrong. From 1943 on the Russians manufactured a huge number of weapons. At the beginning of the war they got a bunch of our surplus and obsolete weapons from us on Lend/Lease.
Scorched earth was used by the Germans and also the Russian retreat towards Moscow. They left nothing for the Germans to use. No wood, food, shelter, etc. The Germans had to walk back to Germany, from Moscow, with nothing to resupply them.
they had little choice but to fight to the bitter end against Germany given Stalin's policies.

Ollie Stone is a libtard faggot. he doesn't understand anything about WWII. fuck him.

who cares if he was in the Nam. he's still a libtard fagoot. fuck him

Germany produced about 32000 total tanks
All tank production by Russia
1939 2950
1940 2752
1941 6274
1942 24690
1943 24006
1944 28933
1945 26297
The T-34 was one of if not the best tank made in WWII. There were @35000 of them
You can look up the rest.

http://ww2-weapons.com/russian-arms-production/

10 Longest Sieges n history

1 Candia 21 years
2 Philadelphia (Turkey) 12 years
3 Siege of Ishiyama Honganji10years
4 Siege of Thessalonca8 years
5 Siege of Drepana8 years
6 Siege ofSolovetsky Monastery8 years
7 Siege of Tripoli7 years
8 Siege of Harlech Castle7 years
9 Battle of Xiangyang6 years
10 Great Siege of Gibraltar 3 years 7 months

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
and he was late to the game. a non-factor. his hatred of Hitler delayed him. did you know that Germany and Japan had a plan to link up and control all of Eurasia? two things stopped that .. Hitler's stupid plan to "crush Russia" and thus cause the three Longest sieges in military history .. where they could have easily bypassed Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad. thus easily defeating the USSR.

what invasion of japan would have happened if Germany had not botched Operation Barbarossa?

Japan never had any chance to move out of China into the USSR proper. for one reason only .. the US Navy and USMC

Ollie Stone that libtard faggot claims the USSR won WWII .. because they lost the most troops. ahahahahaha. all of those troops carried The Russians hate the German far more than they hated Stalin in 1945. They didn't know what was to come. They still hate the Germans to this day. They advanced because it was payback time and they were getting to go into Berlin

many russians hated Stalin well before 1945. and with good reason. the germans had an opportunity to turn russians against Stalin but by showing they had no intentions of allowing russians to live under german occupation they blew that possibility.

AMERICAN weapons. and all of them fought to the death because of two reasons. first, Stalin would have executed any retreating troops. and Hitler, total maniac that he was, initiated a "scored earth" policy in invading Russia.

They usually do scorched earth during a retreat. You don't destroy resources until you know you can't use them.

yet they did it anyway. and by scored earth you could also say bloodied earth. regardless of resources lost, when the germans starting executing russians and not just jewish russians it became clear they considered the russians as inferior mongrels.

they had no choice but to fight at that point. also in many later battles Statin had a "no retreat" policy. had people in the rear areas with orders to shoot anyone retreating. this is in large part why soviet losses were so high.

most Russians hated Stalin due to his purges and gulags.
Wrong. From 1943 on the Russians manufactured a huge number of weapons. At the beginning of the war they got a bunch of our surplus and obsolete weapons from us on Lend/Lease.
Scorched earth was used by the Germans and also the Russian retreat towards Moscow. They left nothing for the Germans to use. No wood, food, shelter, etc. The Germans had to walk back to Germany, from Moscow, with nothing to resupply them.

you just contradicted yourself. they did get vast amounts of supplies and weapons. old or not they were still what the soviets used for several years. Germany started the invasion in 1941.

even in 1943 the raw materials used still came from the US in large quantities. without that help, Russia couldn't have turned back the German Army. how many tanks do you think Russia could have made without those US materials?

they had little choice but to fight to the bitter end against Germany given Stalin's policies.

Ollie Stone is a libtard faggot. he doesn't understand anything about WWII. fuck him.

who cares if he was in the Nam. he's still a libtard fagoot. fuck him

ok. fine. longest sieges in modern warfare. and to Dilbert's point, it's not really a "what if", it was Hitler being an idiot. the German high command obviously advised him to bypass Moscow Leningrad and Stalingrad. he just wouldn't listen. i'm amazed the high command didn't overthrow Hitler. of course they nearly did several times. they nearly did it after invading Poland. they wanted to restock up before attacking France. and before that too. it's been said the real reason the germans didn't crush the British at Dunkirk was really a power struggle between Hitler and the high command which Hitler won. that delay gave the British the time to pull the troops off Dunkirk.

Hitler was a maniac but he wasn't a complete idiot. he didn't allow any of the general's staff to visit him with their side arms. so one them couldn't just pull out his luger and pop a cap in his head.

that's mainly why operation Valkyrie used a bomb in a briefcase. Hitler survived that by sheer luck it seems. someone moved the case after von Stauffenberg placed it in a location that should have been ideal to kill Hitler before leaving under the pretext of taking a call

not all of the general's staff were true fanatic Nazis. but enough probably were such that a coup might have been impossible. no way to get a clear majority and of course the fanatics would have immediately alerted Hitler.

in total there were over 40 plus attempts to assassinate Hitler by many factions inside and outside of the german army and german people. the french resistance tried several times as did the British.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
and he was late to the game. a non-factor. his hatred of Hitler delayed him. did you know that Germany and Japan had a plan to link up and control all of Eurasia? two things stopped that .. Hitler's stupid plan to "crush Russia" and thus cause the three Longest sieges in military history .. where they could have easily bypassed Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad. thus easily defeating the USSR.

what invasion of japan would have happened if Germany had not botched Operation Barbarossa?

Japan never had any chance to move out of China into the USSR proper. for one reason only .. the US Navy and USMC

Ollie Stone that libtard faggot claims the USSR won WWII .. because they lost the most troops. ahahahahaha. all of those troops carried The Russians hate the German far more than they hated Stalin in 1945. They didn't know what was to come. They still hate the Germans to this day. They advanced because it was payback time and they were getting to go into Berlin

many russians hated Stalin well before 1945. and with good reason. the germans had an opportunity to turn russians against Stalin Not much of one. The October Revolution was still fresh and Stalin's security forces too good (by good I mean they would burn down a town to catch 1 suspected opponent). but by showing they had no intentions of allowing russians to live under german occupation they blew that possibility. That's right but uniting against a foreign invader would take precedence over gong against your own people

AMERICAN weapons. and all of them fought to the death because of two reasons. first, Stalin would have executed any retreating troops. and Hitler, total maniac that he was, initiated a "scored earth" policy in invading Russia.

They usually do scorched earth during a retreat. You don't destroy resources until you know you can't use them.

yet they did it anyway. and by scored earth you could also say bloodied earth. regardless of resources lost, when the germans starting executing russians and not just jewish russians it became clear they considered the russians as inferior mongrels.

they had no choice but to fight at that point. also in many later battles Statin had a "no retreat" policy. had people in the rear areas with orders to shoot anyone retreating. this is in large part why soviet losses were so high. Losses were high because Stalin killed off the majority of the experienced officers in the pre war purges. Also, they were defending their homeland from invaders. They did execute a bunch of people for cowardice for retreating. I think it was in the 160,000 range.
We executed one..

most Russians hated Stalin due to his purges and gulags.
Wrong. From 1943 on the Russians manufactured a huge number of weapons. At the beginning of the war they got a bunch of our surplus and obsolete weapons from us on Lend/Lease.
Scorched earth was used by the Germans and also the Russian retreat towards Moscow. They left nothing for the Germans to use. No wood, food, shelter, etc. The Germans had to walk back to Germany, from Moscow, with nothing to resupply them.

you just contradicted yourself. they did get vast amounts of supplies and weapons. old or not they were still what the soviets used for several years. Germany started the invasion in 1941.
Tanks that won't run in the winter, desert tanks that caked mud will disable, and tanks with thin armor (50mm as opposed to slanted 55 (100 mm effective), or 80 mm) and low velocity guns are better than walking but not as good as a horse. All the materials in the world need people to put them to use.
even in 1943 the raw materials used still came from the US in large quantities. Yes. A lot of it came from us. without that help, Russia couldn't have turned back the German Army. Tanks didn't turn back the German army.The weather, lack of winter clothing for the Germans, a lack of fuel for their tanks, a thousand mile long supply line they couldn't keep secured, and a shit load of green troops turned back the German army. Russian tanks chased them back to Berlin how many tanks do you think Russia could have made without those US materials? A lot fewer than they did

they had little choice but to fight to the bitter end against Germany given Stalin's policies.

Ollie Stone is a libtard faggot. he doesn't understand anything about WWII. fuck him.

who cares if he was in the Nam. he's still a libtard fagoot. fuck him

ok. fine. longest sieges in modern warfare. and to Dilbert's point, it's not really a "what if", it was Hitler being an idiot. the German high command obviously advised him to bypass Moscow Leningrad and Stalingrad. he just wouldn't listen. i'm amazed the high command didn't overthrow Hitler. of course they nearly did several times. they nearly did it after invading Poland. they wanted to restock up before attacking France. and before that too. it's been said the real reason the germans didn't crush the British at Dunkirk was really a power struggle between Hitler and the high command which Hitler won. that delay gave the British the time to pull the troops off Dunkirk. When you're thinking of overthrowing a top dog, you need an organization to replace his. The chances are good someone will spill the beans. When your underlings are afraid of you and won't risk their asses you get command constipation and orders don't go out.

Hitler was a maniac but he wasn't a complete idiot. he didn't allow any of the general's staff to visit him with their side arms. so one them couldn't just pull out his luger and pop a cap in his head.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean everybody isn't out to get you.
that's mainly why operation Valkyrie used a bomb in a briefcase. Hitler survived that by sheer luck it seems. someone moved the case after von Stauffenberg placed it in a location that should have been ideal to kill Hitler before leaving under the pretext of taking a call

not all of the general's staff were true fanatic Nazis. but enough probably were such that a coup might have been impossible. no way to get a clear majority and of course the fanatics would have immediately alerted Hitler.

in total there were over 40 plus attempts to assassinate Hitler by many factions inside and outside of the german army and german people. the french resistance tried several times as did the British.

No one won the war by themselves. We had the advantage of an ocean on each side of us. Because of the Russians we faced a lot fewer troops at Normandy. When Germany's reserves went to the wrong place (Hitler sleeping), it could have been they had enough troops to station them at Normandy in the first place and kept us from successfully landing. The lend/lease was important to the war effort. Of course. None of the tanks we sent wouldn't stand much of a chance against a Panther. And most of the military equipment wouldn't have seen fighting if we had kept it. The amount of steel and other materials was a large part of the production. The sheer number of Russian troops and what they accomplished was an important factor in victory. Remove any of the allies and victory could have slipped through our fingers.


Europe was screwed. If not by Hitler then by Stalin. I read several articles that had the view point that as bad as it was. WWII was the best option. Because it knocked the 2 bully's dicks in the dirt a la Saddam. Stalin would have tried to do what Hitler did if given the time.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

No one won the war by themselves. We had the advantage of an ocean on each side of us. Because of the Russians we faced a lot fewer troops at Normandy. When Germany's reserves went to the wrong place (Hitler sleeping), it could have been they had enough troops to station them at Normandy in the first place and kept us from successfully landing. The lend/lease was important to the war effort. Of course. None of the tanks we sent wouldn't stand much of a chance against a Panther. And most of the military equipment wouldn't have seen fighting if we had kept it. The amount of steel and other materials was a large part of the production. The sheer number of Russian troops and what they accomplished was an important factor in victory. Remove any of the allies and victory could have slipped through our fingers.


Europe was screwed. If not by Hitler then by Stalin. I read several articles that had the view point that as bad as it was. WWII was the best option. Because it knocked the 2 bully's dicks in the dirt a la Saddam. Stalin would have tried to do what Hitler did if given the time.

Do you think Stalin would have invaded Germany if Hitler didn't invade Mother Russia first?

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by DSK

Do you think Stalin would have invaded Germany if Hitler didn't invade Mother Russia first?

I think he would done something similar to what Hitler did. Take Poland, then maybe the Balkans. I think he would end up fighting Germany but circumstances might preclude invading Germany at first, One would end up invading the other eventually

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the...bs-japan-13409

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

I think he would done something similar to what Hitler did. Take Poland, then maybe the Balkans. I think he would end up fighting Germany but circumstances might preclude invading Germany at first, One would end up invading the other eventually

The operative phrase is ..... "I think"!

Are you jabbering about the Russians?

[Leah Layada]

I'm a millennial and I know dropping the bombs saved more lives overall than it took by ending the war and I know both bombs were necessary. It sucks that it had to be done and that innocent people had to suffer but it's good that we had some one willing to do it. The Japanese understand it was war and they really can't say shit after Nanjing anyway.

[Leah Layada]

I'm a millennial, stop speaking for me. Also, hurry up and retire so I can get a real job. Thanks.

P.S Great job with the economy and the environment grandpa!

Originally Posted by Jackie S

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the...bs-japan-13409

I am not surprised.

My father was in the Plillipines in 1945, training as part of the invasion force for the Japanese Mainland Islands. He had already been in one battle, as part of the secondary forces in The Marshal Islands.

I don't know if the horrendous death toll of Americans projected by the War Department would have come to fruition. All we had to go on was the resolve showed by The Japanese as our forces advanced across the Pacific.

I do know this, I was conceived in 1947. Would my Dad have survived? I don't know. He was sure glad that we used The Bomb.

Perhaps these Millenials should ask the same question. I doubt any of them know much about the horrors of WW-2. They don't comprehend the millions of deaths, the absolute destruction that total war brings. Truth is, I doubt they care.

I had a thought the other day that puts all of this in perspective. If you think about it, The United State's policy in 1945 had evolved into what we called "Unconditional Surrender". Although it is not taught in any History Course in any school, that meant......."we are willing to kill every last German and Japanese citizen on the Planet if that is what it takes to end this war".

We were doing a pretty good job of accomplishing just that.

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by Leah Layada

I'm a millennial, stop speaking for me. Also, hurry up and retire so I can get a real job. Thanks.

P.S Great job with the economy and the environment grandpa!

LOL

If you only knew.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

The operative phrase is ..... "I think"!

Are you jabbering about the Russians?

Quite the display.
Big pink letters and little pink mind.

If you could keep up you would have read my post was a response to a direct question. Of course you would have had to rein in your normal urge to be a piece of shit. But then I would have missed the chance to give you a swirly while flushing said same shit down the toilet.

No life preservers given out here.

Anything else?

Douche-bag

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

If you could keep up you would have read my post was a response to a direct question.

Did you answer it? Or give one of your long-winded, bloviating rants?

Do you enjoy sucking hind-tit, or is it just because it's the last one for you?

[Munchmasterman]

A wiseass, add-nothing from a know-nothing..........oh my God!

A post without his patently stupid and unnecessary quotation marks!

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Did you answer it? Or give one of your long-winded, bloviating rants? Can you read? Two of your typically stupid questions you already have a wrong answer to.

Do you enjoy sucking hind-tit, or is it just because it's the last one for you? Make that 4 stupid questions.

Sorry asshole. I told you no life preservers here.

You still haven't read it yourself you lazy motherfucker.

No need to wear your ignorance like a badge of honor.

What happened to your big pink letters? Not man enough to stick with your choice?

Don't sweat an answer. No one cares because everyone knows.