Why note have a national vote, wall or no wall

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Ex-CEO

How about letting everyone vote on whether they want more in the way of transfer payments and other forms of government support? All paid for by high income earners, of course. What do you think would happen if a small community of five wolves and four lambs voted on what to have for dinner?

Better be careful what you wish for!

What would happen? It would probably be something like the following lunch scenario...


Suppose that every day, ten men go out for lunch and the bill for all ten comes to $100.

If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men ate lunch in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball.

"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily lunch by $20.00." So lunch for the ten men would now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six men? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to eat lunch.

So the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% off).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% off).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% off).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% off).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% off).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% off).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat lunch for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare the amount they got off.

The sixth man said, "I only got $1 off out of the $20 while the tenth man got $10 off!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only got $1 off, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 off, when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and told him they they were angry that he got so much off while they each got very little.

The next day the tenth man didn't show up for lunch, so the nine sat down and had their lunches without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money amongst all of them for even half of the bill!

And that is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the largest benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.

For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

[Austin Ellen]

Oh that's good Lusty! As usual,of course!

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

The wall is about national security. Was before Trump, will be after Trump. I don't remember Obama tearing down any border walls. I believe some actually went up during his tenure.

He didn't build any new walls or fences, just replaced some old fences with new fences and repaired some damaged fences broken by smugglers.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by lustylad

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And that is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the largest benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore.

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Really? Where they going? Russia? Turkey?

Who do you think is directing where your tax dollars are spent, the poor?

Please no more of your simplistic Atlas Shrugged nonsense.

Now get back on topic.

[oilfieldace]

No dictators in Iran, must be why Obama gave them 3.5 billion in cash.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by oilfieldace

No dictators in Iran, must be why Obama gave them 3.5 billion in cash.

Off topic from your own thread! Try and stay on topic.

But you do know the history of that money right?

Back on topic....Vote with your wallet. Donate to build a wall if you want a wall. The wall was sold by Trump as Mexico paying for it. No switch n bait. Now you're saying my tax dollars have to pay for it?

Maybe lustylad will have have you reread his analogy

[oilfieldace]

Yssup what part of rhetorical are you having trouble with?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by oilfieldace

Yssup what part of rhetorical are you having trouble with?

Me thinks your low IQ liberalism is showing....you want others to pay for a wall YOU WANT.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by oilfieldace

Yssup what part of rhetorical are you having trouble with?

Straight out of left field.

Wtf are you talking about? Why should anybody care?

Your best answer seems to be “it was a rhetorical question.”

Actually it wasn’t. Do some research.

[oilfieldace]

So you are a mind reader now? Actually I said in this thread it was a rhetorical question . To know that you must know how to read. I don't care for baseball , so nothing came from left field.

[oilfieldace]

I got one question for WTF when did I ever say anything about a wall? I didn't . I want people lined up at the border with a big sign in numerous languages if you cross that border you are buzzard food.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

Really? Where they going? Russia? Turkey?

Nowhere. The golden goose stays right here. It just stops laying golden eggs for the greedy libtards.

The lunch story is a perfect allegory for our screwed up federal tax system. Yeah, that's right! The top tenth pays 59% of federal income taxes,the bottom half pays zero, etc. Even the numbers match up with reality.

And look what happened when Trump cut taxes... The greedy libtards started fighting and whining about only getting "crumbs"... just like in the lunch story.

Bottom line is - Libtards want to strangle the goose that lays the golden eggs. Smart people know it's better to feed the goose, not strangle it. As I noted at the end of the story:

"For those who understand, no explanation is needed.

For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible."

[WTF]

Originally Posted by lustylad

The lunch story is a perfect allegory for our screwed up federal tax system. Yeah, that's right! The top tenth pays 59% of federal income taxes,the bottom half pays zero, etc. Even the numbers match up with reality.

And look what happened when Trump cut taxes... The greedy libtards started fighting and whining about only getting "crumbs"... just like in the lunch story.

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Jesus Christ, you and your lunch story.

Here is actually how the lunch story really works. The common worker is eating scraps from the table and saving what they can by way of SS/Medicare.

The wealthy are not paying the whole lunch bill, so far they've run up 21 trillion in debt. They so far have hidden how little they have paid by using the common workers SS/Medicare savings.

Eventually the wealthy will tell the common workers that they will not be getting what they were promised because the wealthy have already spent their taxes on stupid ass wars.

An Atlas Shrugged lunch by Ayn Rand , the Golden Goose... what next will you regal us with???? The Three Little Pigs!

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by WTF

Here is actually how the lunch story really works. The common worker is eating scraps from the table...

Scraps? Five out of ten are eating for free! And one poor sucker is paying 59% of the bill!

And that math doesn't work for you?

Do you want 9 out of 10 to eat for free, so the tenth poor sucker stops showing up?

"For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible."

[Wakeup]

Get back on topic...