THE SORRY STATE OBAMA HAS BROUGHT TO OUR UNION........

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Same side of the coin; within the Libertarian Party there are those who are pro life and those who are pro choice.........with equal fervor on both sides; one side argues they are protecting the rights of unborn, the other side argues they have the right to make individual choices regardless.........the tribes exist everywhere and your deceive yourself by saying such foolery otherwise.

See , well reasoned and balanced thoughts will get you invited to be number 6.

Listen to him cutiepie. (at least on this one!)

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

This is so obvious, it's a shame you had to pointedly mention it. There's no hope for those who bought into 'Hope'.

It is not a matter of buying into Hope. Though many did.

It was a matter of blaming higher prices on Obama. If that was the case, then cheer him for natural gas prices going down. Both are not correct.

The fact of the matter is that Obama is not to blame nor get credit for either.

btw...a warmer winter did not effect the price either in any significant way. Anybody that thinks that has not a clue with what has been going on. The overriding factor was this huge supply brought online.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

It is not a matter of buying into Hope. Though many did.

It was a matter of blaming higher prices on Obama. If that was the case, then cheer him for natural gas prices going down. Both are not correct.

The fact of the matter is that Obama is not to blame nor get credit for either.

btw...a warmer winter did not effect the price either in any significant way. Anybody that thinks that has not a clue with what has been going on. The overriding factor was this huge supply brought online.

Oversupply is the primary factor, but warmer than normal weather has a exacerbated the oversupply situation.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Oversupply is the primary factor, but warmer than normal weather has a exacerbated the oversupply situation.

Now I will agree with that statement wholeheartedly.



and Obama didn't have a damn thing to do with it!

[cptjohnstone]

Originally Posted by WTF

Now I will agree with that statement wholeheartedly.



and Obama didn't have a damn thing to do with it!

just give him a chance, he has been busy defending all of his screw ups

[CuteOldGuy]

I agree there are tribes everywhere. But two tribes have excluded the rest of us from participating in the political process. It's time for them to go. Yes, Libertarians disagree on some issues. But in the vast majority of cases, they side with freedom and individual choice. And I'm not a lockstep Libertarian, I don't have to hold every value they have to identify with them. I make my choices, and look around, and I see I have much more in common with the Libertarians than I do any other party. It doesn't mean I approve of everything they do, or agree with everything they say. But right now they are our best hope of returning freedom to this country.

If, hypothetically, the Libertarians gained power, would they become corrupt? Sure, eventually. Then it will be time to boot their asses out. It's long past time to boot the Dems and Reps out.

[Whirlaway]

They (Lib Party) offer no hope for the change you want.

Why?

Because they are a fringe group with no chance for a taking national office....but COG will throw his vote away falsely thinking there is "no difference" between Obama and Romney.

[alex taylor]

The hardcore 25% would follow Rush,Palin, Newt and Fox news off the cliff like the the pied piper leading the Rats. Like the scarecrow said, If I Only had a brain, you would see that 8 years of Rep control just about ruined this great country. Pres. Clinton left this country with a balanced budget, money in the bank. 8 years of Rep. 2 wars, $150.00 oil, housing market in ruins. Pres. Obama is doing a great job, with what he was handed with.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

They (Lib Party) offer no hope for the change you want.

Why?

Because they are a fringe group with no chance for a taking national office....but COG will throw his vote away falsely thinking there is "no difference" between Obama and Romney.

First of all, Kansas will vote for Romney regardless of how I vote. Secondly, there is no serious difference between Obama and Romney. Both support the NDAA, both support huge government health care, both are owned by major corporations and Wall Street, and neither one gives a damn about anything but power for themselves.

So my vote will do two things. 1. It will say "None of the above" and 2. It will let me sleep better at night knowing I did what I could to stop this nonsense.

[Whirlaway]

Yeah; but you are the one who is looking for change............but in all the wrong places.....

The only real change (to a constitutionally conservative Republic) will happen incrementally, by moving the Republican party to the right with movements like the Tea Party....otherwise, the left wins in their incremental creep towards Socalism.

[CuteOldGuy]

Romney is not a Tea Partier, and the Tea Party lost its balls years ago.

[Whirlaway]

Agreed; Romney isn't a Tea Party guy, but he is also a wet noodle who, as President, will easily be lead in the Tea Party direction. Assuming Congress continues to elect Tea Party candidates.


And it is stupid to say the Tea Party lost their balls years ago !

But keep dreaming of your Libertarian Uptopian and thinking there isn't any differnce between Obama and the Republican guy.

If Obama gets another four more years, look out !

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Romney is not a Tea Partier, and the Tea Party lost its balls years ago.

[IIFFOFRDB]

I know 2 Demos that voted for Obamy and they both are going to vote for Paul. I think Paul will pull more from Obamy than us. It's all good.

[Texas Contrarian]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

...Romney isn't a Tea Party guy, but he is also a wet noodle who, as President, will easily be lead in the Tea Party direction...

...or perhaps in the direction of expanded European-style social democracy.

One thing that's been discussed on a couple of the finance blogs is that Romney has stated his openness to the idea of imposing a VAT.

Obama has little chance of pushing through a VAT, since Republicans reflexively block anything he proposes, whether on principle or purely partisan grounds. It wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell. But some people in the financial world think that if Romney were to become president, congressional Republicans might help pass a VAT in order to go along with a president of their own party.

If a VAT -- even one with an initially low rate -- get's its camel's nose under the tent, watch out! The European experience shows that big-spending politicians simply continue jacking up the VAT rate as desired. Imagine the lustful cravings for even higher levels of spending that would engender in virtual armies of political hacks whose favorite sport is buying votes with other people's money.

[Whirlaway]

Romney will go the way the Republicans tell him; so all the more reason to pull for constitutionally conservative Republican candidates in the House..........