[National News] Utah Man Killed While FBI Serves Warrant

[HDGristle]

Devo and J, I appreciate your honesty and responses.

Berry... we await yours

[HDGristle]

We know berry is unlikely to respond. So in the interst of fairness... For the guys who feel the shoot was justified...

WD, Ninja, Tommy

if the body camera footage show that he was uncooperative and armed but never went for the gun and folks got jumpy and fired early, do you view that as a good shoot?

Or a senseless tragedy that should have been handled differently?

[winn dixie]

Lotta ifs. No reason here not to believe the officers. Too many involved.
I don't believe any footage of the event should be released.

[HDGristle]

I only used one IF on purpose, but I get your point. Would still like an answer to that hypothetical.

[HDGristle]

https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/trump-...m-at-feds-fbi/

Craig Robertson, 75, was armed with a revolver when he confronted federal agents trying to execute a search warrant on Wednesday over his alleged assassination threats against President Joe Biden and other top Democrats, the FBI said in a statement.

“Robertson resisted arrest and as agents attempted to take him into custody he pointed a .357 revolver at them,” the statement said, read the statement,according to Deseret News.

“The FBI takes all shooting incidents involving our agents or task force officers seriously,” the statement continued.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

We know berry is unlikely to respond. So in the interst of fairness... For the guys who feel the shoot was justified...

WD, Ninja, Tommy

if the body camera footage show that he was uncooperative and armed but never went for the gun and folks got jumpy and fired early, do you view that as a good shoot?

Or a senseless tragedy that should have been handled differently?

Senseless tragedy that should have been handled differently. But it never would have gotten to that point if that guy had half a brain or a little common sense, either.

Make no mistake, this guy fucked around and found out. Old, white lunatics who love trump way too much, like this dipshit, need to be checked too. They need to realize their people no longer rule this country unilaterally. Times have changed for real real, and entitled white dicks like this guy don't have all the rights they think they do.

You're not allowed to specifically, and repeatedly, threaten the lives of the POTUS, and various other gov't officials and FBI agents. Doesn't matter how old or white you are. You're just not. Period. Don't believe that? Fuck around and find out.

[DNinja69]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

We know berry is unlikely to respond. So in the interest of fairness... For the guys who feel the shoot was justified...

WD, Ninja, Tommy

if the body camera footage show that he was uncooperative and armed but never went for the gun and folks got jumpy and fired early, do you view that as a good shoot?

Or a senseless tragedy that should have been handled differently?

I stay about Justice. My belief is that sometimes that means the death penalty whether by bullet at the scene or needle after the appeals are heard. Being uncooperative may well escalate the level of force that is appropriate but non-lethal means should be used first with the intent to apprehend not execute. If he did not go for his weapon and someone squeezed off a shot early it absolutely should have been handled differently.

My comments have been that the warrant service was justified based on the information posted directly by the deceased and given that the FBI attempted peaceful contact but were turned away. I believe their show of force was appropriate given the circumstances but do not support calling it a good shoot if he was not actively engaging them with a weapon. That many agents with access to all forms of lethal and non-lethal implements should have been able to take him in alive unless he gave them no other choice

[HDGristle]

3 asked from both sides. 4 reasonable answers. 1 dodgy response. 1 who pesters and peppers others with questions while rarely answering any posted to him.

Expectations met

[Jacuzzme]

HD, do you believe the guys on this forum who’ve repeatedly called for Trump’s death deserve a visit from the secret service?

[HDGristle]

Show me the specific wording and I'll weigh in on whether I feel they're comparable to the clear language that led to Craig Robertson's visits.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

HD, do you believe the guys on this forum who’ve repeatedly called for Trump’s death deserve a visit from the secret service?

None of the leftists believe that. Hell, they are afraid to even criticize a fellow leftist when he makes despicable and inhumane comments cheering on someone's death and insulting their family

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

HD, do you believe the guys on this forum who’ve repeatedly called for Trump’s death deserve a visit from the secret service?

Lol. Nice try.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by tommy156

Lol. Nice try.

Nothing to laugh at. He's asking a fair question. I'm willing to look at specifics.

If he provides them, I'm happy to answer. It's the give and take of discussion. He obliged my question, I'm trying to with his.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Nothing to laugh at. He's asking a fair question. I'm willing to look at specifics.

If he provides them, I'm happy to answer. It's the give and take of discussion. He obliged my question, I'm trying to with his.

I wake up every day hoping trump is dead. I've never once threatened his life. My "Lol. Nice try" came from him trying to conflate those two positions.

[HDGristle]

That speaks to your hopes and dreams. I woke up this morning hopeful for no back pain and some tasty tacos since it's Tuesday.

It's clear you think he's talking about you. Idc either way. If he gives me specific words to look at I'll compare them to Craig Robertson's and weigh in on whether I feel SD should refer to the FBI for investigation.