fruits of tariffs

[VitaMan]

With the 90 day pauses, and continued uncertainty on prices, Trump has driven the economy into a big hole. Businesses are unable to plan what to import and try to sell.


The damage has been done. Even if Trump eventually firms the tariff rates, instead of using a spinning beanie on the top of his head, it won't matter.

[VitaMan]

Here you go again, Trump. Do you realize every time you spin your beanie and come up with a new tariff, it causes more uncertainty for businesses ?


“'Discussions are going nowhere': Trump flips out and orders 50% tariff on EU starting next week

Complaining "Our discussions with them are going nowhere!" he announced, "Therefore, I am recommending a straight 50% Tariff on the European Union, starting on June 1, 2025.

As part of a flurry of posts on Truth Social on Friday morning, Donald Trump is now proposing slamming the European Union (EU) with a massive new tariff.”


Whatever this this, it is not WINNING.

[Lucas McCain]

Just more ineptitude. Why not just deal with the fact that a lot of these countries are not going to agree to the demands and stop moving these faux deadlines back? They called Trump's bluff. They'll call it again. Time to fold and to stop looking like an indecisive fool.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/live/...191201935.html

President Trump reversed course Sunday evening on his threats to impose huge tariffs on the European Union after talking with the bloc's head, extending the deadline for tariff implementation to July 9.

Just two days after charging the bloc has been "very difficult to deal with" and declaring that discussions were "going nowhere," Trump pushed back a hard deadline of June 1 for a "straight 50% Tariff on the European Union."

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

Just more ineptitude. Why not just deal with the fact that a lot of these countries are not going to agree to the demands and stop moving these faux deadlines back? They called Trump's bluff. They'll call it again. Time to fold and to stop looking like an indecisive fool.

First of all tariffs are a threat that hurt both parties. Secondly people either already know or are starting to understand that giving into a bully will just make them come back asking for more concessions.

This tariff war that Trump is threatening will only result in economic disruption across the globe. There have already been incidents of ships dumping cargo at sea rather than bringing it back into port.

How f-ed up is that.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...g-shippers-say

Dumping cargo at sea to avoid tariffs ‘irrational’ move, Hong Kong shippers say
Industry experts issue warning over ‘lose-lose’ move after Chinese exporter abandons goods at sea on way to US

Hong Kong shippers and trading groups have urged exporters not to dump shipments mid-voyage to avoid crushing US tariffs, warning that the “irrational” move will incur huge costs while tarnishing the reputation of the company involved and the country.

[Salty Again]

... The tariffs are starting to show the fruits of labour.

... WINNING! ... ...

#### Salty

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... The tariffs are starting to show the fruits of labour.

... WINNING! ... ...

#### Salty

Horse manure. Please provide evidence to back up your claim.

Your constant repetition of “WINNING” is not only tedious, but untrue.

Please provide evidence that what you say isn’t just babble.

[VitaMan]

Not a good look when a post says nothing about an issue, and just post a slogan.


The tariff issue continues to get delayed and unresolved. Trump continues to rant. More and
more Americans are losing their jobs. Ports operate at half capacity. Truckers struggling to find
cargo to transport. Businesses unable to plan inventory.

[Lucas McCain]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Horse manure. Please provide evidence to back up your claim.

Your constant repetition of “WINNING” is not only tedious, but untrue.

Please provide evidence that what you say isn’t just babble.

Don't hold your breath. If anyone is objective and living in reality (non MAGA) actually thought Trump's tariff all over the place plan was "winning", nobody would be complaining about how much we are "losing" and we're just getting started losing unless the ambiguity is minimized... but what does Trump care? Fuck everyone else, his family will have made over a billion bucks during his 2nd term, and he gets a bad ass bugged plane, so he is definitely WININNG! The American people who aren't rich though, ummmmm, not so much.

[Yssup Rider]

Reminds me of



Trump pussies out of yet another "fuck the world" tariffs threat.

He's truley-a-man of his own words

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Horse manure. Please provide evidence to back up your claim.

Your constant repetition of “WINNING” is not only tedious, but untrue.

Please provide evidence that what you say isn’t just babble.

... The OP stated in his first post that Trump has put
the economy in a big hole.

And yet - the markets GO BACK UP! ...

The S&P 500 has NOW erased this year's loss.
Yahoo Finance has mentioned that companys are now
BEATING their Profit Expectations!
Microsoft and Meta are up 13% year-to-year.

... WINNING! ...

#### Salty

[Lucas McCain]

Hopefully something positive comes from these negotiations but if not, the EU is not playing around with their retaliatory tariffs of $108bln... notice that last sentence in bold below and the emphasis on "a good deal". That may be the sticking point because Trump's idea of a "a good deal" is I win, and you lose which has obviously not been deemed agreeable to these countries with leverage.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/live/...191201889.html

Earlier on Monday, the EU stated that the result of the weekend phone call between Trump and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen provided "new impetus for the negotiations."

Von der Leyen also responded publicly, saying: “Europe is ready to advance talks swiftly and decisively,” she said. “To reach a good deal, we would need the time until July 9.”

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... The OP stated in his first post that Trump has put
the economy in a big hole.

And yet - the markets GO BACK UP! ...

The S&P 500 has NOW erased this year's loss.
Yahoo Finance has mentioned that companys are now
BEATING their Profit Expectations!
Microsoft and Meta are up 13% year-to-year.

... WINNING! ...

#### Salty

How has your portfolio done. Salty?

Quoting Yahoo isn’t proof of anything, other than of course your unwillingness to research beyond the popups on your IE browser.

Is the stock market is the only measure of the economy?

I haven’t seen that type of WINNING. Anyone else?

[Lucas McCain]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... The OP stated in his first post that Trump has put
the economy in a big hole.

And yet - the markets GO BACK UP! ...

The S&P 500 has NOW erased this year's loss.
Yahoo Finance has mentioned that companys are now
BEATING their Profit Expectations!
Microsoft and Meta are up 13% year-to-year.

... WINNING! ...

#### Salty

We shouldn't even be in the position a few days from June to get the stock market back to where it was in the 1st place. That's Trump backtracking from his fuckups and it is hardly progress when the stock market should be much higher than it is now.

I am not going to type out a novel for you, Salty, but I suggest you look at the bond market right now before you erroneously declare "WINNING". But most importantly, read and try to understand what the bond market is telling you about the current state of mind of investors in their faith (or lack thereof) in this Trump economy with his tariffs and his Beautiful Bullshit Bill.

[Iceman]

Sorry, the stock market is what it is, there is no it should be this or should be that. You can only guess what would have happened with different actions, you can't guarantee it.

Did you expect the market to just keep climbing and never come down? That's unrealistic, but what is proven and undeniable is that it has always recovered which is what it is doing.

[DayOfTheEagle]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Sorry, the stock market is what it is, there is no it should be this or should be that. You can only guess what would have happened with different actions, you can't guarantee it.

Did you expect the market to just keep climbing and never come down? That's unrealistic, but what is proven and undeniable is that it has always recovered which is what it is doing.

Well said. Very objective. A refreshing change here.