Charlie Kirk shot, another conservative assassination attempt.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

The problem here is that it’s no longer 1965, Times have changed, The country is different, but some amongst us want to take us back to their version of an idealized society where everything was great. (according to them)

I’m not sure what the solution to our country’s problems are but I have real doubts that a religious pogrom is the best idea. My biggest problem with Charlie Kirk is the way religion was being used for political purposes.

exactly. The evangelical grip and christian nationalists are driven by the morality of a book. The same book that talks about stoning a person for being lazy, working on the sabbath, planting crops of different nature side by side, for adultery, for being disobedient etc. I don't have a problem for folks who like going to church or reading the bible. It's a book written by men.

CK took his scripture reading literally and often quoted from it. I find that pious zealousness to be over the top and when it's been used by various church organizations (whom get a tax exemption by declaring to be without political prejudice or teaching political positions), they are just as big of hypocrites. When you use your position of authority or power in religion, to try to influence elections or parties, you forfeit your tax exemptions.

There was a reason the founding fathers said there needs to be a SEPARATION of church and state. Those who persecute by words or by actions in the name of religion are doomed to experience the same in retribution. It's weird to me that people forget that, normalize it, and accept it as being ok. Nothing wrong with being moral- but when it crept its way back into public domains with the 10 commandments or in school prayer etc., it's not hard to see how evangelicals decided to pounce on that as is in their doctrine to spread the word!!

Save it. I am fine with you celebrating your beliefs any way you want to personally, but forcing those ideas on others, is a recipe for bad actions. CK liked to use the bible which he knew well enough, to assuage or silence others. You'd have to accept the bible as all truth and knowing and of good nature to believe all those quotes.

Last time I checked- stoning your neighbors or your kids or people who are lazy will land you in the state penitentiary. Unless you christian folks are ok with that solution and want to roll back to say the times where that' was the actions that were acceptable. Forget your gun rights tho-..wasn't none of them back then.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by corkscrew420

It's one thing to make fun of a repeat violent criminal choking to death and another to mock a right wing political commentator that was assassinated on live television. In fact, the streets are quite literally safer with one of them gone, while the other is a national tragedy. Regardless of his opinions or views conflicting with your own, it's an inexcusable act. I rejoice every time I see videos of these liberal gen z losers getting fired from their jobs for making light of the murder.

So by that same stance- murder is ok by you -depending on who is getting murdered and why. And you rejoice in ppl being fired for their public political viewpoints? Boy that sure sounds like the definition of fascism. Political dude gets killed- no bueno. Brown dude gets killed-- hurray!!! totally different.

do you know what almost 90% of police cars say on the side of them? Serve and protect. and NOT just the political ppl ,but all people. Some ppl need protection from themselves as well. Think of those who wish to commit suicide; or do you say "ahh fuck em" to that idea too? Some people you probably know in life have a mental burden or disease they never speak of. Should those folks be shot or killed for that?

[Jacuzzme]

Why do you only see color? That’s a you problem, he only mentioned character. Mirror mirror on the wall…..

[Green_Mountain]

Anybody still banging the drum this is a racial issue?
Anybody disagree the kid was far left?
Anybody still have doubts about a motive?

“Charlie Kirk Assassin Tyler Robinson Lived with his Transgender Partner – Partner is Cooperating with FBI”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...son-lived-his/

[Green_Mountain]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Why do you only see color? That’s a you problem, he only mentioned character. Mirror mirror on the wall…..

Yep. Seeing everything through the lense of race is divisive, destructive, and wrong.

Race shouldn’t matter, character does.

A fundamental difference of right vs left.

[Devo]

And now for something completely different.........

A non political explanation, I found it interesting.

Not CKs shooter, but, a good example of how teens are being taught to be killers with no remorse.

https://triblive.com/news/world/ever...m-experts-say/

DENVER — The online footprint of the 16-year-old who shot two students and then himself at Evergreen High School this week fits into a new wave of online extremism that calls for violence as a way to destroy society, experts said.

Social media accounts for Desmond Holly suggest to experts he was involved in nihilistic violent extremist networks — which the U.S. Department of Justice defines as people who seek to “destroy civilized society through the corruption and exploitation of vulnerable populations, which often include minors.”

An account on TikTok linked to Desmond showed several hallmarks of that brand of extremism, said Matt Kriner, executive director of the nonprofit Institute for Countering Digital Extremism.

Desmond also held an account and commented on a website called WatchPeopleDie, which features videos of killings, sexual violence and animal cruelty, according to the Anti-Defamation League.

“WatchPeopleDie and other online spaces are the nihilistic network,” said Oren Segal, the ADL’s senior vice president of counter extremism and intelligence. “Those who are spending their time posting images of murders and beheadings and rapes and other horrible things, and also expressing extremist and hateful views, and glorifying past shooters. That makes up this nihilistic network.”

The network originated as an effort to accelerate the collapse of modern society by exacerbating social tensions and dividing society through violence, and has roots in white supremacy and fascism, Kriner said. But the groups have continually evolved, and most nihilistic violent extremists today don’t share a single strong ideology, instead relying on a hodgepodge of motivations, he said.

“They just hate everyone,” he said. “They don’t really have a goal. The purpose is pain.”

Segal noted three U.S. mass shooters in the past nine months were active on WatchPeopleDie before their attacks.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

Anybody still banging the drum this is a racial issue?
Anybody disagree the kid was far left?
Anybody still have doubts about a motive?

“Charlie Kirk Assassin Tyler Robinson Lived with his Transgender Partner – Partner is Cooperating with FBI”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...son-lived-his/

I knew purple hair and a nose ring were involved somewhere in the picture.......

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

Anybody disagree the kid was far left?
Anybody still have doubts about a motive?

Still speculative counselor. Plenty of time to dig into it, though

[Devo]

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

100% disagree.

The only person that wants a racial issue over this is you.

Charlie’s killer and the murderer of the Ukrainian girl both deserve the death penalty. Believe it or not I don’t play favorites when it comes to race.

Wish you guys were the same.

And no matter how much you want it to be true the kid was not a MAGA. Since the kid is white, you instantly stereotype him as a MAGA. Racist in my book.

He was warped by the far left.

See post 216 above.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Still speculative counselor. Plenty of time to dig into it, though

[Jacuzzme]

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Devo

And now for something completely different.........

A non political explanation, I found it interesting.

Not CKs shooter, but, a good example of how teens are being taught to be killers with no remorse.

https://triblive.com/news/world/ever...m-experts-say/

DENVER — The online footprint of the 16-year-old who shot two students and then himself at Evergreen High School this week fits into a new wave of online extremism that calls for violence as a way to destroy society, experts said.

Social media accounts for Desmond Holly suggest to experts he was involved in nihilistic violent extremist networks — which the U.S. Department of Justice defines as people who seek to “destroy civilized society through the corruption and exploitation of vulnerable populations, which often include minors.”

An account on TikTok linked to Desmond showed several hallmarks of that brand of extremism, said Matt Kriner, executive director of the nonprofit Institute for Countering Digital Extremism.

Desmond also held an account and commented on a website called WatchPeopleDie, which features videos of killings, sexual violence and animal cruelty, according to the Anti-Defamation League.

“WatchPeopleDie and other online spaces are the nihilistic network,” said Oren Segal, the ADL’s senior vice president of counter extremism and intelligence. “Those who are spending their time posting images of murders and beheadings and rapes and other horrible things, and also expressing extremist and hateful views, and glorifying past shooters. That makes up this nihilistic network.”

The network originated as an effort to accelerate the collapse of modern society by exacerbating social tensions and dividing society through violence, and has roots in white supremacy and fascism, Kriner said. But the groups have continually evolved, and most nihilistic violent extremists today don’t share a single strong ideology, instead relying on a hodgepodge of motivations, he said.

“They just hate everyone,” he said. “They don’t really have a goal. The purpose is pain.”

Segal noted three U.S. mass shooters in the past nine months were active on WatchPeopleDie before their attacks.

Despite the ranting of conservative pundits (and a lot of posters in this forum) who want to paint this as a left / right issue it’s really not. It’s a societal problem that has more to do with how our political divide, compounded by extremist social media, warps the minds of the young.

It results in this kind of nihilistic behavior predominantly in young males.

Which in turn leads to a violent form of suicidal behavior in which violence is perpetrated on others and ultimately themselves.

What people are missing is that the violence being perpetrated is motivated against the presiding authority. It used to be school shootings, then trans and gay shootings, now it’s conservative / religious shootings.

I don’t think that it has anything to do with the language on either side but is rather just a manifestation of violence against the people and culture of those currently in power.

Just the situation as I see it.

[Green_Mountain]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

What people are missing is that the violence being perpetrated is motivated against the presiding authority. It used to be school shootings, then trans and gay shootings, now it’s conservative / religious shootings.

I don’t think that it has anything to do with the language on either side but is rather just a manifestation of violence against the people and culture of those currently in power.

Really?

Tell us how many assassinations (or attempts) against prominent Dem figures in Biden’s term? How about Obama’s 8 years? None that I recall.

We’ve had 3 in the last 14 months going the other way - Trump 2x and Charlie.

You people (yes I mean you people) demonize Trump and the right over and over again for anything that he does. Hitler, Nazi it’s all bullshit. It’s dehumanizing and it indirectly suggests actions be taken. There’s a tremendous difference to deporting people that shouldn’t be here in the 1st place vs marching people off to concentration camps to their deaths. But you people lump the two events as the same.

You people make everything about race instead of the content of one’s character. You blame laws and incarceration on a racist system instead of the criminals committing the acts. You make excuses for the criminals and victim shame.

You people introduce and demand trans ideology introduction at ages I shall not say and are ok with having women’s private spaces and sports invaded despite many being uncomfortable and then attempted to be shamed into silence.

You people keep going farther and farther left and then play victim if others don’t follow and speak out against it. And sometimes that may result in violence or the loss of life.

You should hold your ideologies accountable for what’s going on. But you won’t.

[Green_Mountain]

I’ve always considered myself a huge advocate for free speech and discussion.

But this kind of thing below should not be allowed. Could start down a slippery slope for sure but something needs done.

Originally Posted by Devo

“WatchPeopleDie and other online spaces are the nihilistic network,” said Oren Segal, the ADL’s senior vice president of counter extremism and intelligence. “Those who are spending their time posting images of murders and beheadings and rapes and other horrible things, and also expressing extremist and hateful views, and glorifying past shooters. That makes up this nihilistic network.”

The network originated as an effort to accelerate the collapse of modern society by exacerbating social tensions and dividing society through violence, and has roots in white supremacy and fascism, Kriner said. But the groups have continually evolved, and most nihilistic violent extremists today don’t share a single strong ideology, instead relying on a hodgepodge of motivations, he said.

“They just hate everyone,” he said. “They don’t really have a goal. The purpose is pain.”

Segal noted three U.S. mass shooters in the past nine months were active on WatchPeopleDie before their attacks.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

I’ve always considered myself a huge advocate for free speech and discussion.

But this kind of thing below should not be allowed. Could start down a slippery slope for sure but something needs done.

I agree, I read there is a discussion going on about the public use of Nazi and Hitler to describe conservatives and other people.

If you use the N word to describe someone black, its now considered a hate crime, I would start treating Hitler and Nazi the same way.

Historical context usage?

See the N word.