The Trumpster's deportations

[Green_Mountain]

Some of you should broaden your definition of invasion.

Now extrapolate that to Canada, UK, Germany, and others. It’s absolutely an invasion courtesy of liberal politicians.

The door is wide open come on in. And there is not one of these places where life is getting better for the native citizens.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

Some of you should broaden your definition of invasion.

Now extrapolate that to Canada, UK, Germany, and others. It’s absolutely an invasion courtesy of liberal politicians.

The door is wide open come on in.

160,000 troops invaded Normandy. What do you call 10 million criminals crashing our border? It’s an invasion!

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

Some of you should broaden your definition of invasion.

Now extrapolate that to Canada, UK, Germany, and others. It’s absolutely an invasion courtesy of liberal politicians.

The door is wide open come on in. And there is not one of these places where life is getting better for the native citizens.

I tend to use the version that will hold up in court, especially if I plan on justifying the claim in court.

I also don't try to use a poor comparison to Normandy troops because of that. Those are apples and oranges.

[Green_Mountain]

That’s sound logic until one connects the dots that the judiciary is “a lot” of partisan judges and not impartial.

Their motivations are to align to the Dems that fight to keep borders open and illegals in the country.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

I tend to use the version that will hold up in court, especially if I plan on justifying the claim in court.

I also don't try to use a poor comparison to Normandy troops because of that. Those are apples and oranges.

Apples and oranges? You’re half right. The soldiers that invaded Normandy were heroes. The criminals that invaded our country are criminals. Both were invasions.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

That’s sound logic until one connects the dots that the judiciary is “a lot” of partisan judges and not impartial.

Their motivations are to align to the Dems that fight to keep borders open and illegals in the country.

That's sounds logic until you realize how many Republican and Trump appointed judges there are who some might also call partisan. But that generalization is as irrelevant as your is at the end of the day.

I hope you aren't going to spin that Reagan, Bush and Trump judges that don't side with Trump's immigration arguments are somehow liberal partisans aligned with Dems

[Green_Mountain]

Don’t care who appointed the judges.

I do care that most of said judges aren’t acting in the best interest of the citizens. That includes validation via voting and polling.

In no world and in no western country does the quality of life improve for the citizens when the borders are left open and illegals are protected from deportation.

[HDGristle]

The voting fallacy isn't at issue, here. Talking point for another thread.

Trump 1.0 and Biden deported just as many folks. Trump 2.0 looks like he'll deport less than Obama.

Has Trump scaled up the immigration court side of the equation to help with his most significant bottleneck?

What branch do immigration judges fall under? Why aren't Trump and Bondi focusing on improving the throughput in a meaningful and legal way that would insulate them from the scrutiny the more fringe options provide?

Wouldn't that help mitigate due process concerns and remove some of the roadblocks in a way that would allow for quicker, more effective and easier deportations?

[tommy156]

The MAGA cult is ridiculous. trump appoints the judge, judge upholds the law that trump is breaking... so, the judge isn't acting in society's best interests?

Funny (and embarrassing) on multiple levels.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Kilmar was deported to a country he wasn't permitted to be deported to by our legal system and the government admitted the "mistake" in court but so far has failed to correct it. The MS-13 connection was flimsy and Trump looked like a buffoon as a result on his double down.

The immigration judge said Kilmar Garcia was deportable to any country except el Salvador, his home. The reason? Because if he went home, he would be in danger from RIVAL GANGS. Which means Garcia admitted to being an MS-13 member, otherwise "rival gangs" wouldn't give a fuck about him. Can't make this stuff up. You need to pay better attention and connect the bread crumbs, Mr. Gristle.

The guy who looked like the biggest buffoon was Federal Judge Boasberg ordering the DHS plane to turn around when it was already out of US air space. He looked stupider than King Lear cursing the weather.

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Don't misconstrue the issue or pretend that's the norm. It's not.

Don't lecture me on misconstruing the issue. Pot meet kettle.

[HDGristle]

Wasn't a rival gang argument or ruling. Rival gang never came up, and his ties to MS-13 are only alleged. It was Barrio 18 over an extortion racket related to his mother's papusa business which led the family leave to begin with

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ed-10-10-2019/

[HDGristle]

Server hang double

[HDGristle]

Server hang triple

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

This is the same way you fumble with what are and aren't legal pathways and toss around blanket generalizations about gaming the system.

The biggest "fumbler" on this issue was Kamala Harris, who went off searching for "root causes" while the illegal hoards kept flooding in under Biden's unwatchful eyes. I'm not as upset with the illegals who game the system as I am with the folks who keep greasing the rules to make it easier for the illegals to game the system.


There is nothing wrong with someone on TPS pursuing an alternate legal path. It's kind of the point of they want to seek someone more permanent legally.

TPS is temporary. If they had a valid legal path to something more permanent, they should have pursued it in the first place. From their home countries, the way legal immigrants do.

Speaking of "nothing wrong"... is there anything wrong with this picture? Under Biden/Harris/Mayorkas, roughly THREE migrants entered the US illegally for every ONE migrant who came in legally and became a naturalized citizen.

Got that, Gristle? The ratio was around 3:1. Heck, the Biden team made the conscientious and respectful folks who went through all the legal immigration rigamarole & paperwork look & feel like suckers, didn't they?


If you want change, ask congress to change the laws. This should not be managed by Executive Orders.

Ok. Did you criticize Biden for abusing the parole authority to let in 30,000 Cubans, Haitians, Venezuelans and Nicaraguans a month - without asking Congress first?


Trump trying to use fringe arguments undermines the work he's trying to do. Which is what is giving folks legal grounds to pursue lawsuits that will slow down and block him.

Naaah... the open-borders crowd would be showering Trump with lawsuits regardless of his arguments. When did common sense become "fringe" anyway?


Like the "invasion" angle. Plays well amongst his low IQ base, xenophobes and bigots, but doesn't pass the smell test in court or move the ball meaningfully.

Hmmm... have you talked to any ranchers or other law-abiding US citizens down in the Tucson sector of Arizona or the Del Rio sector of Texas? Have you asked them if they would characterize the Biden open-borders caravan carnival as an invasion?

You should go on down and talk to them, Mr. Gristle. Do some homework. Connect those breadcrumbs. If you don't like their answers, by all means lash out and call them low-IQ bigots and xenophobes! Then ask them where you can order some tasty breakfast tacos!

They'll love you!!

[HDGristle]

I'm aware of TPS being temporary.

It's the T in TPS afterall

I get that you want to derail, but if Trump really wanted this to go more smoothly he'd be hiring more immigration judges instead of focusing so heavily on ICE roundups. Focus on taking chunks out of those backlogged cases.

Supreme Court wouldn't have any issues with that. Most federal judges wouldn't either. Why isn't this in his budget? It would be the equivalent of the Iraq surge strategy.