The TRUE SOURCE of RANDOM & MASS SHOOTINGS and VIOLENCE

[CuteOldGuy]

Still haven't watched the video, eh, Timmy? If you took the time you spent bashing it, and watched it instead, you'd have spent less time on this thread, and wouldn't look so stupid.

[essence]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Still haven't watched the video, eh, Timmy? If you took the time you spent bashing it, and watched it instead, you'd have spent less time on this thread, and wouldn't look so stupid.

I'm not quite sure what the point is. We have a culture which think drugs can correct anything (how many ask for a drug to cure a common cold or viral infection).

What's new, what didn;t we know already?

That ceratin substances (illegal) can affect certain people badly? well known.

That drugs to help certain people can have bad side effects amongst others? well known.

That you can;t cure depression, that drugs cannot stop (rather than reduce) suicides? well known.

that drugs can help enormously many many people with mental health problems? well known.

That mass murderers are not 'normal'. well known.

Not sure what the point is. I've watched it.

[CuteOldGuy]

Well, at least you watched it, EssenceofNothing. The point is that Big Pharma is making tons of money by convincing doctors to prescribe psychotropic drugs in mass quantities and the drugs are not being monitored effectively. Now, those drugs have worked wonders for millions of people, enabling them to live happy, positive lives. But in the wrong dose for the wrong person, they are devastating. Google some blogs on common anti-depressants and ADHD drugs and read some of the horror stories.

These drugs are not a panacea. They are DANGEROUS. There needs to be more effective monitoring of these drugs, and doctors need to be trained to be more responsible. But Big Pharma, in league with the AMA is making tons of money off these drugs, and that has led to their misuse and overprescription.

Now we are trying to blame guns for this problem. It's not the guns. It's not the NRA. It's the overprescription and failure to monitor psychotropic drugs. I mean, really. A lot of these drugs are prescribed for kids who are only guilty of being a kid.

When you start playing with a person's brain chemistry, it can lead to disaster, as we have seen. It can also produce wonderful results, but there must be close monitoring to make sure the drug is the proper one for the patient. And alternatives should be tried before prescribing these drugs. They should be a last resort.

The problem is with Big Pharma and the medical establishment. Not with legal gun owners.

[i'va biggen]

Are prescription drugs the cause of your problem?

[essence]

My wifes job as a mental health social worker involves a lot of time going to her client's houses and making sure they take their medication. She works closely with nurses. So I know all about this.

The issue is not just the drug companies, it is about how many feet on the ground are going to do that kind of work, it is always the first thing to be cut back.

It is unbelievable how little she is paid to do this kind of vital work, plus make decisions on who should be sectioned (detailed in hospital, voluntary or not) and go to court and present cases to judges, every week.

I don;t know what the equivalent situation is in the US. Would you recommend your child persues a career in the social work field?

Is it a mark of society how we handle the sick and vulnerable?

Before you smart asses suggest it, no I am not one of her clients.

[TheDaliLama]

The answer …………..

Why is it that none of the disturbed and evil men, who steal guns, then go and kill movie-goers and children in school, has ever been identified as a conservative NRA member?

FT HOOD~~~ Registered Democrat ~ Muslim

COLUMBINE ~~~ Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals

VIRGINIA TECH~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff Registered Democrat

COLORADO THEATER~~~ Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal

CONNECTCUT SCHOOL SHOOTING~~~ Registered Democrat; hated Christians,

Common thread is that all of these shooters were “progressive liberal Democrats."

Of course it isn't POLITICALLY CORRECT to attempt to find a common thread!

[jbravo_123]

Timothy McVeigh was a registered Republicn & NRA member who also voted Libertarian in 1996.

Adam Lanza's mother, Nancy Lanza (whose guns were used in the Sandy Hook shooting), was a gun enthusiest as well as a known follower of the Prepper movement.

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I'm not saying that it's political affiliation that is the cause of whether or not someone is going to commit such an atrocious act, but that it's something that spans political lines.

@DaliLama: People are of course trying to determine why these types of mass violent acts are occurring and with seemingly greater frequency these days. I don't think political correctness is hindering this - I think the cause is actually being examined and our society is scrambling to try and find a solution.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

The answer …………..

Why is it that none of the disturbed and evil men, who steal guns, then go and kill movie-goers and children in school, has ever been identified as a conservative NRA member?

FT HOOD~~~ Registered Democrat ~ Muslim

COLUMBINE ~~~ Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals

VIRGINIA TECH~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff Registered Democrat

COLORADO THEATER~~~ Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal

CONNECTCUT SCHOOL SHOOTING~~~ Registered Democrat; hated Christians,

Common thread is that all of these shooters were “progressive liberal Democrats."

Of course it isn't POLITICALLY CORRECT to attempt to find a common thread!

guess that fucks the democrats are anti gun theory you wingers are always trumpeting.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by jbravo_123

Timothy McVeigh was a registered Republicn & NRA member who also voted Libertarian in 1996.

Adam Lanza's mother, Nancy Lanza (whose guns were used in the Sandy Hook shooting), was a gun enthusiest as well as a known follower of the Prepper movement.

Perhaps you didn’t notice, but McVeigh didn’t use a so-called “assault rifle” that ranks so high on the Kool Aid sucking Dim’s hit list. Hence, you’ve anecdotally illustrated that no quantity of laws and regulations will end murder where there is deliberate intent on the part of the killer. Another FYI, had the Aurora shooter not broken down during interrogation, substantially more deaths and injuries would have occurred when LE entered his apartment.

[jbravo_123]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Perhaps you didn’t notice, but McVeigh didn’t use a so-called “assault rifle” that ranks so high on the Kool Aid sucking Dim’s hit list. Hence, you’ve anecdotally illustrated that no quantity of laws and regulations will end murder where there is deliberate intent on the part of the killer. Another FYI, had the Aurora shooter not broken down during interrogation, substantially more deaths and injuries would have occurred when LE entered his apartment.

My point was never that any amount of laws will stop people from trying to kill each other. My point was that mass murderers come from all parts of the political spectrum, not just from one party or the other. My post was not aimed at guns, but at the idea that mass murderers come only from Democrats.

I'm not certain what your statement about the Aurora shooter is pointing at.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by jbravo_123

I'm not certain what your statement about the Aurora shooter is pointing at.

Holmes rigged his apartment with IEDs.

[jbravo_123]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Holmes rigged his apartment with IEDs.

I understand that. What does that have to do with the argument (for or against) that all mass murderers are Democrats?

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by jbravo_123

I understand that. What does that have to do with the argument (for or against) that all mass murderers are Democrats?

Perhaps you should look at this earlier remark by you:

Originally Posted by jbravo_123

I'm not certain what your statement about the Aurora shooter is pointing at.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

So now you're getting your information second hand from Eva? No wonder you're so stupid, Timmy. Why not watch the video and learn something?

He is ahead of the game rather than your old ass .