How dare you

[katie2CherishU]

Originally Posted by Little Monster

A fucking provider is freaked out cause a client asked for bbfs with a nice warm cream pie???? Gimme a goddamn break for crying out loud, as long as you've been a provider I find it very hard to believe that you've never been asked this request before. And I'd be willing to bet money that this is something you have probably done before, with more than one client

And once mire

[RALPHEY BOY]

well Providing and bareback goes back 1000's of years.. this is not new and it will always be around....get over it and move along. pissing and moaning is not going to change one iota

[JohnnyYanks]

This thread reminds me of a bad session rebuttal posted in Coed by the provider before the NO review goes live. Grain of salt, or less.

[johnny_rocketz]

While I can understand your outrage, keep in mind that nowhere on your Showcase, website, or most recent ads does it specifically state that you do not offer BBFS or creampie. What about Greek, SS, CIM, etc? While BBFS is certainly not the norm, there are a few providers that actually offer it.

The only mention of the services that you offer is listed on your website:

• I am a true girlfriend experience(GFE)
• Fetish
• Fantasy
• Doubles
• Couples

That list is ambiguous at best. Is CIM included as part of the true GFE? Are greek and creampies considered fetishes? You specifically stated in the etiquette section that a potential client ask if they have a specific request:

If you are looking for something; may it be fantasy, fetish, double, or a particular outfit request please make these request in initial contact with me. I will do my best to fulfill these.

Why then is it so insulting for someone to inquire about a service that you haven't explicitly excluded anywhere that you advertise? As a potential client, how am I to know what services that you do or don't offer other than reviews (which can be embellished or YMMV)? Remember, much of your client base doesn't set the bar that high, and none of us are mind readers.

[Rjp45]

Originally Posted by johnny_rocketz

While I can understand your outrage, keep in mind that nowhere on your Showcase, website, or most recent ads does it specifically state that you do not offer BBFS or creampie. What about Greek, SS, CIM, etc? While BBFS is certainly not the norm, there are a few providers that actually offer it.

The only mention of the services that you offer is listed on your website:

That list is ambiguous at best. Is CIM included as part of the true GFE? Are greek and creampies considered fetishes? You specifically stated in the etiquette section that a potential client ask if they have a specific request:

Why then is it so insulting for someone to inquire about a service that you haven't explicitly excluded anywhere that you advertise? As a potential client, how am I to know what services that you do or don't offer other than reviews (which can be embellished or YMMV)? Remember, much of your client base doesn't set the bar that high, and none of us are mind readers.

Well stated. I think you hit this direct on the head.

[Guest010218]

Originally Posted by johnny_rocketz

While I can understand your outrage, keep in mind that nowhere on your Showcase, website, or most recent ads does it specifically state that you do not offer BBFS or creampie. What about Greek, SS, CIM, etc? While BBFS is certainly not the norm, there are a few providers that actually offer it.

The only mention of the services that you offer is listed on your website:

That list is ambiguous at best. Is CIM included as part of the true GFE? Are greek and creampies considered fetishes? You specifically stated in the etiquette section that a potential client ask if they have a specific request:

Why then is it so insulting for someone to inquire about a service that you haven't explicitly excluded anywhere that you advertise? As a potential client, how am I to know what services that you do or don't offer other than reviews (which can be embellished or YMMV)? Remember, much of your client base doesn't set the bar that high, and none of us are mind readers.

I have found that instead of asking what they do or don't allow, instead tell them what activities you enjoy and ask whether they think you would be a good fit for a session with them that will include your favorite activities.

If Yes, then you can then discuss the particulars, or if No, then you contact the next provider on you TDL (To-Do List) until you find a good match. It's a free market and people should be just seeking information, not trying to insult one another. Just saying...

[mrhappysf]

Originally Posted by RALPHEY BOY

well Providing and bareback goes back 1000's of years.. this is not new and it will always be around....get over it and move along. pissing and moaning is not going to change one iota

True, but since the emergence of AIDS as a deadly STD for which there is still no vaccine and no cure, condoms have been the standard protection measure used to prevent its spread among sex workers and their customers. Condoms have been the norm since the late 80s and my guess is that most of us haven't been in the hobby for too much longer than that.

[TxTraveller]

Sorry to hear about your experience..... That may be a disappointment about the hobbyist in question....and certainly his loss in offending someone he enjoyed seeing by taking things down that road..... You take care of you! ;-)... no one with any sense would try to push you beyond those very reasonable boundaries!

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Daddys Girl ATX

I will not be say names but I find it highly offensive when guys reach out to me asking if I allow bareback and cream pies. The worst thing about this.....I have seen this person before. The thought of doing this in the hobby not only freaks me out where stds are concerned but it grosses me out the thought of allowing someone I hardly know finish inside of me. Its just dirty all the way around when you think of it.

I have never and will never offer this. If there are girls that do....please by all means reach out to them and put yourself at risk. I will not tolerate this behavior.

Stepping off of my soap box...hope eveyone is staying dry!

While I understand the frustration you might feel you need to look around you and see that the migration of whores from BackPage and increased interest in additional activities that others are providing is going to lead to requests you will need to learn to field in a professional manner.

You will accomplish nothing ranting against it.

[johnny_rocketz]

Originally Posted by BugleBoy

I have found that instead of asking what they do or don't allow, instead tell them what activities you enjoy and ask whether they think you would be a good fit for a session with them that will include your favorite activities.

If Yes, then you can then discuss the particulars, or if No, then you contact the next provider on you TDL (To-Do List) until you find a good match. It's a free market and people should be just seeking information, not trying to insult one another. Just saying...

Wouldn't asking a lady if she offers BBFS or creampie imply that those are activities that a client likes?

I respect a lady's boundaries, but I need to know what those boundaries are. There are quite a few gorgeous women that I would love to see whose menu unfortunately doesn't agree with what I prefer. They are very clear either in their showcase and/or ads as to what they will not do. Anything else is YMMV. Instead of trying to influence her to offer something that she normally doesn't, I move on to someone else that will.

In this case, proper etiquette according to the OP's own website would be to make any specific requests during initial contact with her. Yet, she is "highly offended" when someone does exactly that.

BTW, I am not the hobbyist in question and have never met with the OP.

Originally Posted by TxTraveller

no one with any sense would try to push you beyond those very reasonable boundaries!

How would the hobbyist know what those boundaries are? Since he has already met with her, it's evident that those boundaries were never made clear.

[Guest121917-1]

Wow guys....

I step out for a hair salon day and I come back to people putting money on something other than a horse race or telling me to make a list of my dos and donts, or even to proceed in trying to educate me of other ways to trandfer stds.

I was not born yesterday and I get tested regularly.

I hope you dont put too much money on things you dont know. Im not desperate for an extra upcharge on donation just to allow someone to practice being a pastry chef.

I have been around a while and if you research enough of my reviews you could use common sense that I do not offer either of those things.

This is not the porn industry so making reference to how they control an environment is irrelevant. That would be in the perfect world knowing that each and everyone of us took that extra precaution but unfortunately that is not the case in our little community.

I simply had a frustration that I have been dealing with a lot. So publicly I expressed I clearly dont offer it. I was around in the golden days and from then to know....doing the unthinkable seems to me has become a norm. Im going to have to agree with Whispers on this one.

I think if I offered it at all.....it would be on a list other there in cyber space somewhere.....

Didnt need all the negativity....but who am I kidding? Its Eccie! There cant be a day without it.

I hope you all have a blessed weeekend.

[TW!GGY]

Originally Posted by Daddys Girl ATX

I simply had a frustration that I have been dealing with a lot. So publicly I expressed I clearly don't offer it. I was around in the golden days and from then to know....doing the unthinkable seems to me has become a norm.

If your client is asking you for BBFS this makes him "high risk" because he is most likely actively practicing this with "high risk" providers that are willing to partake in such activities and therefore NOT someone you should continue seeing for many obvious reasons. Associating yourself with such and individual might cost you your better clients that have much more to risk than these dangerous and "high-risk" low-lifes and your better clients may stop seeing as a result of guilty by association. You dont owe anyone one anything.

[TW!GGY]

Originally Posted by johnny_rocketz

Why then is it so insulting for someone to inquire about a service that you haven't explicitly excluded anywhere that you advertise? As a potential client, how am I to know what services that you do or don't offer other than reviews (which can be embellished or YMMV)? Remember, much of your client base doesn't set the bar that high, and none of us are mind readers.

ummm because, this particular service /request /fetish (fucking without a condom) or whatever the hell you wish to call it can KILL people plain and simple. Any other stupid questions you need answered?

[Guest121917-1]

Nope, lol.

I hope everyone is playing safe and having a great weekend.