Is there any truth to this? ( For the guys)

[wcdann]

I for one have always been attracted to and respected women who stood up for them selves and isnt scared to speak there mind. There is a big difference in that and just being rude or inconsiderate. I believe most men go over seas to find female providers because laws are usually not as strict there as is here plus it usually is cheaper that is if your going over seas for a reason other then for sex. There are some guys who get off on a female being very submissive to them because it makes them feel more masculine. I personally dont like girls to be overly submissive. I have a friend who dates girls over seas and is looking for a wife from another country. He is highly attracted to asian girls and he doesnt know any local asian girls. For each man who goes over seas looking for sex each man might have his own personal reason why he does it. I personally believe any man who thinks all american girls are bitches is probobly himself an egotistical ass___. It sounds like this type of person has a hatred of females period. Now im not speaking about all men who perfer women over seas or men who has had a long line of bad luck with the wrong girls. This is just some of the views I have and my 2 cents

[alluringava]

Interesting perspectives. I'm always glad to see that most men don't want someone 'totally subservient' although I'm willing to be that during a session. But I'm always grateful for each and every one of my clients who chooses to see me, from a wealth of so many other beautiful ladies out there.

[PhantomofTheOpera]

Originally Posted by alluringava

But seriously what does the women's movement have to do with providers? As a woman, and a feminist, it doesn't affect the way I do business nor does it affect my service. I mean I'm not going to take any crap from a guy in regards to my own personal safety, but I don't see how women's lib has anything to do with my service. And in truth, a LOT of American women, no matter WHAT THEY SAY, ARE still looking for a man to take care of them. I mean I know it would be nice if someone paid my bills LOL, and I sure as shit would treat the guy like a king ( regardless, of whether or not he was paying my bills). But that could be my inner geisha speaking :P

Ava, you’re old enough to remember the 70's, so I am mildly amused about your question as to what the women's movement has to do with guys looking elsewhere. The problem is the women’s movement has everything to do with your question since that is where feminism came from. If you re-read what I wrote, you will see I was not limiting my answer to escorts but rather to the general US female population which is not part of the P4P world. Women don't know their place anymore because they think they are equal to a man which they aren't and never will be. Women are built differently than men for multiple reasons that no amount of discussion, or claims otherwise, is going to change.

Personally, I don't want a woman who wants to compete with me and has the masculinization that is found in today’s American woman. I deal with that crap at the office, I don’t want to also deal with it at home and I don’t. As it relates to P4P, that is why the women I see are paid... no fuss, no muss and, generally, they know their place. IF I were to get involved again, it would be with someone who complements me and gives me a soft place to land while being intelligent, articulate, who likes being a girl and can have a discussion on intelligent terms. I do not want a doormat but I also do not want someone who is always questioning me, someone who thinks SHE knows better and that is what most American women do today. Most guys I know can’t stand that.

I mean, seriously, women were given the vote and the right to drive. What more do women want?

In my book, I am far more interested in a woman who will take care of herself physically/mentally, who wants to be feminine, i.e. who likes being a girl, and who will treat me like I treat her. That is why I don’t bother with American women because they have lost their place and they have no clue how they need to take care of themselves much less how to take care of a guy that is important to them.

Now, to be fair, the guys have not done their job either and I view them as having the greater blame in this but I digress. Remember, you did ask.

The below quote also pretty much covers what I have written.

Originally Posted by windowshopper

Women from America take for granted what non American women go thru or see from their perspective. Get off providing for a moment, most non American woman will worship the ground you walk on and tend to your every need, like a king. This is what women in the states used to do before they became head strong and wanting equality. Not that I mind equality, but a woman should know her place. For instance, you have women constantly challenging guys in fights, marriage last names, manual labor, pissing contest, etc. Let the man ask for a glass of water, she responds with fuck no get it your damn self. Ask the latina, asian, french, russian, etc... and she is asking do you want ice with that. Something is wrong with this picture. American women to not pay attention to home and the man first. Fine, I get it, your educated, sophisticated, but damn....your supposed to be the gentle side, nurturing, catering, loving,....etc....

So no wonder will Billy the Dick goes looking for other nationalities. Mostly the men who have been exposed either by military or business travel understand this first hand. Big difference.... I hear about it often from black women that brothers go outside their race, selling out. But fuck, another race will do what many won't do because they want too. Goes back to head strong and the twisted way of enforcing independence in your home, relationship, and job.

And not to bash women, this just happens to be the topic....but guys need to take care of their ladies...no matter what race. Love has no color so why put a sticky note on it and say it has to be this one race.

[alluringava]

Originally Posted by PhantomofTheOpera

Ava, you’re old enough to remember the 70's, so I am mildly amused about your question as to what the women's movement has to do with guys looking elsewhere. The problem is the women’s movement has everything to do with your question since that is where feminism came from. If you re-read what I wrote, you will see I was not limiting my answer to escorts but rather to the general US female population which is not part of the P4P world. Women don't know their place anymore because they think they are equal to a man which they aren't and never will be. Women are built differently than men for multiple reasons that no amount of discussion, or claims otherwise, is going to change.

Personally, I don't want a woman who wants to compete with me and has the masculinization that is found in today’s American woman. I deal with that crap at the office, I don’t want to also deal with it at home and I don’t. As it relates to P4P, that is why the women I see are paid... no fuss, no muss and, generally, they know their place. IF I were to get involved again, it would be with someone who complements me and gives me a soft place to land while being intelligent, articulate, who likes being a girl and can have a discussion on intelligent terms. I do not want a doormat but I also do not want someone who is always questioning me, someone who thinks SHE knows better and that is what most American women do today. Most guys I know can’t stand that.

I mean, seriously, women were given the vote and the right to drive. What more do women want?

In my book, I am far more interested in a woman who will take care of herself physically/mentally, who wants to be feminine, i.e. who likes being a girl, and who will treat me like I treat her. That is why I don’t bother with American women because they have lost their place and they have no clue how they need to take care of themselves much less how to take care of a guy that is important to them.

Now, to be fair, the guys have not done their job either and I view them as having the greater blame in this but I digress. Remember, you did ask.

The below quote also pretty much covers what I have written.

What you're saying about "American women" losing their place and 'have no clue as to how to take care of themselves let alone a guy' is stereotyping and pegging all 'American women'. I may be Asian, but I am first and foremost an American, and I don't feel I have to 'compete with a guy' or 'not take care of myself' or whatever. I think you're grouping far too many 'American women' in a single swooping statement. Yes, I did ask, but I don't have to agree with the answer. My original question was...are American whores really that much 'ungrateful bitches' as some men claim they are on various sites?

[wcdann]

hummm phantom you think women lost there place? wow I guess I dont even think in those terms. Sence when is one person better then another. Sure some of us is better off then others some are more intelligent and articulate and god knows some of us are better educated. But at the end of the day it doesnt matter what your sex is your race your sexuallity but who you are on the inside. Im single but if I had a SO I would want to know her opinion and if I was wrong about something id want her to tell me I was and why (with out the drama) of course. I like a girl who is not afraid to take control or take charge when needed and at the same time be able to be fiminine and is proud to be a girl. I guess the bottom line is respect there is a right way to be a leader male or female and respect others who are with you or working for you. I just have a very hard time with the thought of someone having there place or forgetting there place wtf. Who am I or anyone else to tell another human what thier place is. If we lived in a world like that black people would still be in the back of the bus, women still wouldnt be able to work or vote. Thank god people said I dont have a certain place and who are you to tell me what it is. I would hate to live in a world filled with closed minded people. If I have offended anyone it isnt my intention all im saying is I find it in my openion very wrong to limit people to a certain place in society or look down on others who stand up against it.

[PhantomofTheOpera]

Ava, I didn't expect that you would agree but that is life... right?

[Katy Alexander]

Ava I believe the biggest difference is most women in third world country's do not have the same options we do.Poverty is what drives them in to this business.You , or I can walk away at any time, and find another way to pay our bills.What s fun and convenient for us is a matter of life or death for many of these girls, and their families.It is sad that not all, but some American men are very much aware of how important their money is , and will use it to take full advantage of the situation.

[Tiffani Jameson]

Originally Posted by PhantomofTheOpera

In effect, you have the masculinization of women and the feminization of men to blame for real men looking elsewhere for their mates. People have lost the idea of who they are and what their place is in society.

Only weak men like weaker women....

Gotta have somebody to bully and take advantage of. Right? Am I right??

Funny thing is, I agree with you. Women have to be strong cause the men are weak. There are so few real Alpha men. We make you EARN your title as "MAN". But in all honesty, as a strong woman, I do long for a man for whom I can be a woman. But the problem is, they're all intimidated and bitchy, or like you, who have to come off as a chauvinist to try to prove you're a man. Calling me out of my name and trying to belittle a woman's thoughts by using shaming language doesn't do the trick.

It's just something about a real man. He's not loud, he's respectful, and when he speaks, there is nothing you can say but 'I agree'. I freakin' LOVE that. He's confident in his actions, so any woman in his presence is confident in his actions. She doesn't have to question him, and nag him, because HE'S GOT IT. But the last thing he is is patronizing, because he sees the value in women around him, and for more than commodities to be used. Especially for pennies on the dollar. That, sir, is called exploitation.

[charlestudor2005]

In every woman there is a man.

[Pink Floyd]

Originally Posted by Katy Alexander

Ava I believe the biggest difference is most women in third world country's do not have the same options we do.Poverty is what drives them in to this business.You , or I can walk away at any time, and find another way to pay our bills.What s fun and convenient for us is a matter of life or death for many of these girls, and their families.It is sad that not all, but some American men are very much aware of how important their money is , and will use it to take full advantage of the situation.

Ah, there's the rub. Take a good look around at how society has accepted the lowest of the low as the societal norm. The Pimp, the Drug Dealer, the Gangsta are treated as norms today. It may not be poverty that drives American girls to accept the worst society has to offer, but rather a twisted rebellion against being treated like a human being. I have seen too much!

[Cheburashka]

Originally Posted by mijo(BFE)

I'm afraid once I go int'l, I'll be an int'l Freak. If I go to Paris, I'm afraid I'll never return.

That is a very real fear! Paris ladies are amazing. I have hobbied throughout Europe, Central America, and Russia. And I prefer those ladies to Americans. Physically, they are more real. You won't find manmade fake breasts and shaved kitties at all. They simply look what a lady should look like. America somehow adopted the love of the plastic Kardashian/Pamela Anderson look. Even the porn made here is all about obnoxiously unrealistically big breasts.

Russian ladies are amazing. Period! And Ticas from Central America are so gentle and sexy that it is more of a courtesan experience than a quick porn power fuck.

Foreign ladies are every bit as strong and opinionated as Americans, so that is a myth. And that poverty drives them to the hobby is wrong also. A French lady studying at the Sorbonne is no different than a coed at SMU. They just are a different type of woman. Not everyone wishes they all could be California girls. But I know many here will immediately start chanting "USA, USA, USA!" until they sit in a Riga, Latvia cafe and can't pick their jaw up from off the table because of the beauty they are beholding.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by alluringava

I've heard time and time again that 'American whores are bitches' and that's why some American ( and foreign, for that matter, from other countries like Europe) men go overseas to places like Cuba, Thailand, the Phillipines, Russia...to find 'more grateful' girls. I always wondered if there was some truth to that 'acting more grateful' or whatever that pertains to girls who work in Third World Countries where twenty or forty dollars is a month's wages. So what do you guys think? Anyone who can actually vouch for that stereotype of 'girls from Third World Countries' give better service, more bang for the buck, and are 'more grateful'?

Ava,

I think there are many reasons intertwined here:

--Price. For a guy who wants to see 6 women in 4 days, yes it may be cheaper even with airlines, etc. Part of that depends where the guy is coming from.

--Price is not always an objective thing. I have seen guys argue they are going to take a vacation anyway, so they don't consider the cost of the flight & room as part of the cost of seeing the ladies.

--Variety. Whether it's looks, language, culture, etc., some guys find there is a different feel to ladies in a different country.

--Rationalization. I have heard guys argue (mostly to convince themselves I suspect) that if it isn't in the US it isn't cheating.

--Legality. For some, the LE issue is significant, either from a point of job, worry, etc.

--And sadly for a few it's because they do believe they can treat foreign women far worse than they could get away with in the US. A minority, but definately true for some. There were some guys who were on ASPD who put together trips to Mexico, etc., specifically to see pimped "agency" ladies who they could get to do essentially anything for what would be pennies here.

Personally I have found that wonderful ladies come in all nationalities. I am especially attracted to interesting ones with a fully functioning brain and because I only speak English and a minimal amount of survival Spanish, my best experiences have been with ladies who speak English. I have not found that the country of origin matters much.

[CJ7]

I'll have to agree with pahntom to an extent, but word it a little differently.

IMO, there is some confusion between "Stepford Wives" and feminine women. A lady can be fiminine to the enth degree and still be strong in a womanly sense without projecting it through verbiage, or actions. Take Tiffani's description of a strong man, apply it to a feminine lady, and the attraction becomes exactly that, an attraction.

[PODarkness]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

In every woman there is a man.

Sometimes more than one.

Originally Posted by Katy Alexander

Ava I believe the biggest difference is most women in third world country's do not have the same options we do.Poverty is what drives them in to this business.You , or I can walk away at any time, and find another way to pay our bills.What s fun and convenient for us is a matter of life or death for many of these girls, and their families.It is sad that not all, but some American men are very much aware of how important their money is , and will use it to take full advantage of the situation.

Poverty is a subjective term, with most of it coming from local standards. What we see as poverty may be considered as doing really well in a third world country. A girl there may make $30 an hour, but it's 10 times the average hourly wage, same as you girls get here.

I have been to, and sampled the local talent, in the Phillipines, Russia, Romainia, Ghana, South Africa, Chech Republic, Germany, and of course, Holland. None of these trips were vacations, and all travel expenses were covered by my employer at the time.

I'm not sure "bitches" is the right term to describe American providers, but compared to the third world, and speaking on very general terms, American girls have a chip on their shoulder. As long as we don't cross whatever arbitrary line that chip represents, it's all good. Cross a line, say the wrong thing, suggest something too different, and it's ON! The "who do you think you're dealing with?" attitude comes very easily to most Americans. Look at the number of wars we've been in since WW2. Can any other country come close?

A cocky attitude is great for some things, ( no pun intended ) but it's not the best one for relaxation and light hearted fun. There is some truth to the question posed by the OP.

[bojulay]

There's still nothing like a strong, intelligent, open minded, beautiful American Woman.
Someone that will challenge you and at the same time give you room to be a man.
Too much subservience could get to be a little boring.

I've found it to be kind of a natural instinctual thing that a woman really wants
a strong man, but they will test you to see if you're going to be a door mat or not
(no girl really want's a door mat). Question is will you pass the test.

Some guys (and I see this all the time) think that being a nice guy is to let
themselves be a door mat, it's not. And the girl is saying to herself, come on
guy I'm waiting for you to man up here.

A girl with self esteem knows that she is worth the company of a real man.

There are the (Bitch) types that's true, but I for one think there is too much
modern women bashing that goes on because too many men have forgotten
how to be a man (present yourself as a real man to a lady and much more
often than not she will grab a holt of you with both hands and not let go,
saying to herself, I'll be damned I finally found one.)

As for American Providers, the good ones would be hard to beat.
They bring that strong, well rounded, full spectrum female sexuality
to the session. Never a dull moment with the best ones.