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Reya Sunshine · 01-30-2011, 10:05 AM

I agree with everything Lily said and also I think that because we are selling a "service" rather than an actual product it seems less like stealing to some simple minded guys. Perhaps they feel that we weren't hurt and maybe even enjoyed ourselves as much as they did so why should they be the ones to pay? IMO it's a combination of ignorance, arrogance, flawed logic and a lack of empathy on the part of some men.

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Originally Posted by Blond_Lily

I think it's much deer than just the average person who robs a bank or store. I think there's a deep seeded hatred for women in general, but especially women who dare ask for money to have sex with him. I think in these minds we're in a category less important than humam beings. So if he can get away with ripping off a provider, he feels like he's just a little more vindicated against womanhood in general. I think they're just so angry that we have the power in the situation--we won't do it until a man hands over $x. It can be infuriating to someone who thinks we're trash.

London Rayne · 01-30-2011, 10:08 AM

It all boils down to guys who can't get it for free, nor can they afford to pay for it lol. This is why we count the money when you're a first timer guys. We don't know you are a gentleman until you PROVE to be so. Please don't get offended if a lady wants to take care of business first...it prevents her from thinking the whole time, "I wonder if this one is going to rip me off." I don't know about you, but I seriously doubt those thoughts would make for a great gfe.

burkalini · 01-30-2011, 10:37 AM

I don't want to get any crap about this but I believe that guys get ripped off way more than women do. You hear about ads that state one thing and another thing is reality and cash and dashes every day. I know providers can get ripped off but I would say it's a rare issue

Mojojo · 01-30-2011, 11:09 AM

I think its 50/50 Karma is a motherfucker though so itll catch up for sure. One thing I cant stand is shitty business. It's sad that a simply transaction becomes complicated for some people.

Valerie · 01-30-2011, 11:12 AM

I've never had anyone attempt to rip me off in the states....however, should they try to, they will be in for a very rude awakening!

London Rayne · 01-30-2011, 11:13 AM

Lmao@ Valerie! I think most guys assume that we won't make a scene if that were to happen...think again ha ha. All we have to say is the guy barged in the room and tried to rob us...no face, no proof of escorting.

Valerie · 01-30-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by London Rayne

Lmao@ Valerie! I think most guys assume that we won't make a scene if that were to happen...think again ha ha. All we have to say is the guy barged in the room and tried to rob us...no face, no proof of escorting.

Unfortunately there are a lot of women out there who wouldn't make a scene in that situation, I wouldn't think twice!

Mojojo · 01-30-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Valerie

Unfortunately there are a lot of women out there who wouldn't make a scene in that situation, I wouldn't think twice!

Only scene id like to make with you

lol

SouthCaliGent · 01-30-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Blond_Lily

I think it's much deer than just the average person who robs a bank or store. I think there's a deep seeded hatred for women in general, but especially women who dare ask for money to have sex with him. I think in these minds we're in a category less important than humam beings. So if he can get away with ripping off a provider, he feels like he's just a little more vindicated against womanhood in general. I think they're just so angry that we have the power in the situation--we won't do it until a man hands over $x. It can be infuriating to someone who thinks we're trash.

Thank you, Lily. You bring up a very fresh perspective. I never looked at it this way. It does make a lot of sense.

SouthCaliGent · 01-30-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by burkalini

I don't want to get any crap about this but I believe that guys get ripped off way more than women do. You hear about ads that state one thing and another thing is reality and cash and dashes every day. I know providers can get ripped off but I would say it's a rare issue

That actually has happened to me. I've gotten ripped off when I first attempted to hobby from a total bait and switch. She demanded that what I had left out on the dresser (which wasn't even a small figure) was simply for her to drive up to my place. If I wanted anything further I would have to pay her in the 4 digits. I was nervous at the time and she knew that. Plus, I knew that I had already lost and I didn't want to lose any more. So I let her go without creating a scene that could've turned into something more serious. For all I knew she had a pimp in the car or something. But I learnt my lesson and have moved on since.

Chica Chaser · 01-30-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by London Rayne

It all boils down to guys who can't get it for free, nor can they afford to pay for it lol. This is why we count the money when you're a first timer guys. We don't know you are a gentleman until you PROVE to be so. Please don't get offended if a lady wants to take care of business first...it prevents her from thinking the whole time, "I wonder if this one is going to rip me off." I don't know about you, but I seriously doubt those thoughts would make for a great gfe.

Not just the first time, London. I pretty much insist the lady count the cash, right now and right in front of me.
Why would you want otherwise? No questions later, no BS and we can then both be comfortable right off the bat and lets get to the good stuff. This one is easy, just do it!

burkalini · 01-30-2011, 02:04 PM

I do take exception to the theory that men who hobby can't get it free. It's the no drama sex session that has it's worth. To assume we are all a bunch of losers that can't get sex any other way is like us calling you a lousy whore that can't do anything else. I would never do that and expect the same courtesy and respect from a provider.

amusemeant · 01-30-2011, 02:08 PM

This has not happened to me either. I also agree with having a hard steel bodyguard at all times. I will not lay down and I will protect myself and my family. A misdemeaner is not going to get in the way of my safety - there is just no way. Of course, I am a sober and sane person who has sound and sane judgement. I know that with the stereotype of girls being off their rockers and on substances sometimes, guys probably quake to hear it. But we have to protect ourselves bottom line. LOL once at a play party mentioned my roomies Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson and got some ashen faced silent responses...not to worry...as long as everyone knows how to be nice then all is well.

Naomi4u · 01-30-2011, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chica Chaser

Not just the first time, London. I pretty much insist the lady count the cash, right now and right in front of me.
Why would you want otherwise? No questions later, no BS and we can then both be comfortable right off the bat and lets get to the good stuff. This one is easy, just do it!

My kinda guy!

charlestudor2005 · 01-30-2011, 03:55 PM

Early in my hobby life, and before I had the process down (I think on my 3rd date), I had a gift bag prominently displayed in the room. Inside was a token gift with the donation. At the end of the date, I pretty much had to force the bag into her hands. She seemed really relieved and left. I tried to book with her again, but she would never see me.

I finally realized that the uncertainty that she went through while waiting for the session to end was probably too much. Even though it was a full donation with an additional small gift.

After that, I started paying very careful attention to donation instructions. Some wanted the envelope conspicuously displayed. Some wanted it on the bedstand while others wanted it waiting in the bathroom.

After that early experience, I try to stay pretty close to the instructions the provider has stated.

And I agree with CC above: I now insist the lady examine the donation before any play.