Ithaca Alert: Lacey

[greenpeace2014]

Originally Posted by Plastic Man

child soldiers?

No, but a very very serious place and situation that still festers on a colossal scale. You are paying, like it or not. Mockery never helps. Being thoughtful, being informed, being willing to understand, being willing to learn appears to be useful attributes. Have you noticed the types of people currently becoming CEOs of major US corporations, Deans of US Business Schools like Harvard, staffing major positions in the top universities? Certainly not characters that make a living by idiocy and vileness, such as that you will notice in many of the remarks that have come in response to this thread.

If you ask what these people do for a living, some interesting trends might be discovered: servants to all of the above! Fearful of their incomes and threatened in various ways; vulnerable to a range threats and pressures but not imagining how deeply vulnerable they are, and thriving on shallow braggadocio.

The point truly stupid and the congenitally vicious cannot understand is to not gratuitously create enemies. "When there is no need, do not antagonize simply for a petty simian & idiotic high" is a sound logical principle. What do you say? Would you think logic is extremely overrated or should be banned in ECCIE threads as a matter of principle?

[J.J. Walker]

If you act very politely on this board, you'll surely command a top salary

[greenpeace2014]

Originally Posted by Taskmaster

Hope that was useful to you, because it was 15 minutes of my life I'll never get back , so it was of no use to me.

You are a person without any deep introspection. I would not employ you because you have negative integrity. That is why so many investors arrive here and quietly leave, since they see satanic types like yourself as the human resources they would have to deal with. As a result, upstate NY continues to slide economically. I shall not speak about my own personal experiences in this respect, but I feel sadder each day, when massive biomedical industries could be thriving here, but just will not be. Just look at yourself in the mirror.

Life is a war zone all the time. The Japanese think so, the Chinese do, we do too. A war zone means many things. For a particular class of the Japanese, it means a particular interpretation of the bushi-do, as applied to personal interactions, at work and in every small detail everywhere. If you cannot understand the nuances, you simply do not exist as a human being in that society. China has its own complex codes, and so do each of the Asian societies. If you choose to mock and belittle them, live debt free, right?

A big mouth has some value when there is a human being animating it, and possibly a human mind regulating its output.

Why is life a war zone? Should that not be clear? Apparently, if someone's moral compass has no moorings this answer is insoluble, which also makes it difficult for them to accord respect to women, no matter their profession. If someone had used the word "hooker" in an insulting manner, I should have made sure that he should have learned a lesson to never make that same mistake again. It is a pity you were never subjected to discipline and have run wild.

Maybe Fate will take a savage hand very soon. There is a strange balance at work. When individuals overstep certain boundaries, natural forces enforce what righteousness demands. Here is a prediction: your wings will be trimmed soon, and in a ruthless fashion. You needlessly violate women as a group, who have given you no cause to do so. Effect similar to cause follows as night follows day.

Perhaps you endorse lying, cheating and stealing, and should have theft take place with regard to your own properties. Let it happen immediately!

[greenpeace2014]

JJ, trust me, I LEFT a VERY HUGE SALARY and a personal fortune, precisely because I do not countenance arrogance, discourtesy, any form of theft or dishonesty. I have been called a ni....er with too much sass to my face, at an institution renowned for its liberal and moral values. Nothing really ever shocks me, and everything shocks me, which is funny and sad at the same time.

Specifically because I have seen how humans can behave with other humans, I quickly lose respect for any violence, be it physical, verbal, or visual. If people need to be tough, well, let us see how tough! There is a primary proposition: all beings seek happiness and want to avoid pain. If this is true, why then inflict insult, mockery, hurtful language, lies, or any such thing on anyone? The power of speech and communication distinguishes us from animals, among other things. Animals communicate well, but perhaps not in as many ways or in as complex ways as we can. I do not know, but that is what we have been told. We may be wrong.

If we employ this powerful gift of communication to constantly demean and degrade, we only become as large as the smallest quotient of our efforts. By making you small and by making you feel degraded, say, by calling you a "hooker", does not make me macho or smarter. It creates a false sense of invulnerability that here I am, protected by my income whilst XYZ has to scrabble to earn a living that I find faintly amusing and 'tainted". When I hear such words, what I see is that the person using it has degraded himself beyond real redemption.

JJ, each person exists in dependence on the other; cleverness has no role in this universe. If someone lies dying on the earth, then many things become so much clearer, and if this experience happen to get repeated a couple or three times, then things get clearer each time over. Very useful, and helps to not mock people or women, and I highly recommend it to those who are riding a high horse. Not you necessarily, but some others> Perhaps then will come a realization that death is always as close as our very next breath, and with death comes a true reckoning, no matter what we believe in or deny.

[moneytalksny]

GP,

A few individuals have come to know Lacey very well. She can be very personable and has great potential. She definitely is going through some challenges that will test her and those around her and posting an alert simply aggravates the situation.

Not everyone has the same level of information as you and consequently they question the substance of they alert. I know this deeply offends you as typically you have been very positive and are now negative in responses. This is causing a domino effect of negativity amongst you and many other credible members. Move on. Stay positive.

Rather than an alert you may be better off posting a review that outlines details of the transactions and your causes for concern.

MTny

[greenpeace2014]

Originally Posted by elghund

OSD, can you translate this????




elg........

elghund, good buddy,

the issue is broken promises: money taken, no services delivered. Another little trick, extracting 2 taxi fares, one round trip, that's ok! 2nd round trip, urgent need to see a "friend in trouble, will return in exactly 2 hours" gone forever. So, a mean trick to collect another $33. This part I call stealing, and it is not a good thing in my book. $1, or $1000, stealing is a bad thing. What do you say?

By itself that is called suckering someone. Fair enough, I understand. Part of the game.

What upsets me is that before this thing began, this lady had spoken about her stress etc., need for house rent and a LOT of other issues, that we cannot discuss with others. We agreed to meet to talk to lots of personal and other issues for an extended period, no time limits. Some very, very serious talks, because the person was really upset, as some members will witness. Had gone through bad periods in several different ways, emotional, moneywise, and every which way.

So you understand why it hurts when this issue of trust is both used, and also broken so lightly for a few dollars. It is not the dollar value but the easy way of lying and taking the money.

What we were discussing was ways to get her out of the dead end of the present situation.

Serious ways, what options exist, what other careers, how to go about those choices.

A future career is worth many hundreds of thousands of dollars over a lifetime, and it does not involve me in the least.

That was one part.

Feeding her was another since she said she had not eaten all that much since becoming ill some while back.

Next, she was very stressed, and I massaged her back to help her de-stress because something bad had happened to her friend.

At this point, which I did not know was going to happen, she suddenly decided she had to go see this person, and to return in 2 hours. Took extra round trip taxi fare, never came back in 8 days.

What would you say that was, for someone who has been her longest, regular patron, since December? An honest thing to do, or a dishonest thing to do? It is ok for a first timer but is it ok to stiff a regular, is my question? What does it say about that provider?

Should not a Verified Provider be of a certain degree of reliability?

People here say NO, a VP designation means nothing at all, really. Then why have one? What difference does that make if BP and ECCIE have nothing to separate them? Why not depend on TER, if ECCIE is just a useless reference tool?

I have no problem being called an idiot, but my issue is that a service industry should have minimum standards of expectations, and internal corrections. Without some corrections, things just go downhill. If I make false accusations, that is very wrong. Therefore, I set down every detail. It is not right to mock someone witthout understanding why those details are there, like a court case.

[J.J. Walker]

Originally Posted by greenpeace2014

I LEFT a VERY HUGE SALARY and a personal fortune, precisely because I do not countenance arrogance, discourtesy, any form of theft or dishonesty. I have been called a ni....er

[crozwell]

How about the CliffsNotes version next time, Who has time to wade through all the nonsense?

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by greenpeace2014

You are a person without any deep introspection. I would not employ you because you have negative integrity. That is why so many investors arrive here and quietly leave, since they see satanic types like yourself as the human resources they would have to deal with. As a result, upstate NY continues to slide economically. I shall not speak about my own personal experiences in this respect, but I feel sadder each day, when massive biomedical industries could be thriving here, but just will not be. Just look at yourself in the mirror.

Life is a war zone all the time. The Japanese think so, the Chinese do, we do too. A war zone means many things. For a particular class of the Japanese, it means a particular interpretation of the bushi-do, as applied to personal interactions, at work and in every small detail everywhere. If you cannot understand the nuances, you simply do not exist as a human being in that society. China has its own complex codes, and so do each of the Asian societies. If you choose to mock and belittle them, live debt free, right?

A big mouth has some value when there is a human being animating it, and possibly a human mind regulating its output.

Why is life a war zone? Should that not be clear? Apparently, if someone's moral compass has no moorings this answer is insoluble, which also makes it difficult for them to accord respect to women, no matter their profession. If someone had used the word "hooker" in an insulting manner, I should have made sure that he should have learned a lesson to never make that same mistake again. It is a pity you were never subjected to discipline and have run wild.

Maybe Fate will take a savage hand very soon. There is a strange balance at work. When individuals overstep certain boundaries, natural forces enforce what righteousness demands. Here is a prediction: your wings will be trimmed soon, and in a ruthless fashion. You needlessly violate women as a group, who have given you no cause to do so. Effect similar to cause follows as night follows day.

Perhaps you endorse lying, cheating and stealing, and should have theft take place with regard to your own properties. Let it happen immediately!

No, I'll be just fine thanks , but thank you for all those positive thoughts. I also was not seeking employment from you, so we're good there too.

It is amazing that someone who uses so many words to describe how much he knows about everything and everyone , including motivation, character , and even their future, can have so little understanding of the Hobby world in which he has chosen to dabble.

[Plastic Man]

Originally Posted by crozwell

How about the CliffsNotes version next time, Who has time to wade through all the nonsense?

say whuuuuu... you not a fan of maximum narcissism

[eatyu2]

OP might want to try eHarmony or maybe Dr Phil.

[XY]

What an enormous waste of time. Fuck and leave!

Originally Posted by greenpeace2014

Alerts a tool of last resort. They are very painful since they affect a provider's livelihood and reputation. Generally, I am reluctant to air any opinions about providers in public unless they are strongly positive. I hold to certain beliefs, that those few ladies who have some contact with me will testify. Specifically, I never focus on the physical aspects but take extreme care to see that everyone is treated with immense respect, etc. That does not mean fraud, theft and cheating should become a part of the deal. Caring and concern does not make one a mark. Sometimes I spend an hour of a 2 hour period asking about someone's concerns, problems, listening to their real pains, and sometimes people cry, etc. That is my prerogative and an expensive one at $250/hr. Sometimes I massage backs because there are those who are immensely stressed and I know about these things having fought in wars since the age of 9. Which is another reason why I do not appreciate stupid machismo or cartoons of people hitting each other, and should love to meet these brave gentlemen in lethal combat and watch how their faces change when they understand that this is for real! How about it? Cleverness and violence has its role when you are able to carry it off with some aplomb, and with your bare hands.

However, in contradistinction to men I do idealie women, and perhaps this is foolish. They are humans just like any other. But I have seen more horror than perhaps anyone on this board, and I say this with humility, not out of any spirit of one-upmanship. You will hear me use the word "redemption" and "redemptive exchange" with some frequency for a reason. This entire prologue is to establish that I do not criticie a woman unless the provocation is extreme, and without having tried very, very hard to repair any problems with all the means given to me, and received only the very coarsest of rebuffs.

Additionally, I have certain very strong values that I shall not violate. I have every flaw in the world save for the flaw of bearing false witness. And I am also a person of absolute commitments when I do make them.

In December, on the ITH BP, for very personal reasons, it was found necessary to engage someone. As Fate ordained, there was a very strange and aggressive lady now in jail who was woring as the senior of a team of 3, and brought over a shy and hesitant provider barely 3 weeks into the business. We spoke for over 1 hour of a 2 hour session, the Monday before Christmas. The Monday after Christmas, she called me saying she had exhausted the money given, and had no food, because the senior had taken a cut to buy a car, pay rent etc. etc. I am not a fool, but am moved by the words "no food" even though they may be untrue. My tradition says, if people ask in the name of such things, NEVER SECOND GUESS, give with eyes closed. So, I asked her to come over for an hour, and she showed of her pink and white new cardigan purchsed with the tip received from me, the last time. Mind you, each time, there was a lot of caring interaction, and there is a reason why I do not write reviews. A huge amount of personal information comes pouring out, pain, grief, etc. They are received into a heart that shares that pain and whatever, seeking long-term solutions with extreme vigor and care, because that is what I have been trying to accomplish with my life for more than 5 decades, however disingenuous and self-serving it might sound. And it has a direct bearing on this alert.

Having sounded a warning to this lady about the company she was keeping and having offered several types of alternatives, all of which were dismissed, I lost track because the telephone was switched off after Jan4. This worried me a lot until an Eccie member rediscovered her under another name, apparently having set up on her own. Early March, we had another 2 hr session catching up, when all of her housing and pther problems were discussed, and again late March, a week ago. I have all correspondence, her eagerness [I can't wait to see you!] on record. In between, phone calls, talk of illness, stress, not being able to eat, so a person who communicates at least a little of her life to someone she claims to "like" whatever that might mean.

I worry about someone as a young woman who clearly does not know what is going on but feels she does, and much more besides, that I do not wish to speak about here. So we meet, and there is an immediate dissimulation going on that disturbs me. But we talk about her problems, which as some here know have been stressing her out. She is childish and childlike in the extreme, and very deeply troubles and stressed, existing in an hotel, and completely without a clue how to get her life together, ill and so much more. I cook her dinner, and have already paid her one set of taxi fare, round trip, in addition to 500!!!!!! She said she would come between 2-3 pm but like all past appointments, a 4-5 hour delay is routine, and shows up at 7:15 after online promise after promise, no apologies. This is another issue a VP should not have. Moreover, a super clockwatcher, a second strike, and very, very poor customer relations, a taker, no giver. When I read reviews of Ms. Boyt and my own experiences with Ms. Morozova, I feel "provider" is a misnomer for this young lady: "extractor" would be a better term!

So i cook dinner. On her earlier visits, she has been "starving' and sought food, but did not appreciate that it cut into sessions time! Her minder, Lala, barged in 2x, trying to charge phone batteries, and did not seem to think it cut into session time, either! This is service quality, and the type of service mentality this provider sees her clients as, pure marks to be fleeced. I know there are 2 here who have been satisfied but I don't know how long they have associated with this set or this provider. I think I am the longest, and longest-suffering regular, and only because of this sense of obligation to do something about her future. NO MORE!

So, after dinner, it is well past 8 p.m. and the conversation of the past month's stress continues and so does the massage. Just at 8.55 she needs to see her "friend" about whom there is some extremely tragic events unfolding, and whom she will never again she again in her life! She takes another $44 for taxi fare, that I call, so that she can go to Econolodge and back, promising to return in 2 hours. Guess what?

What hurts me the most is that I tried to create a situation to relieve the hurts she obvously had been suffering, with chocolates [too sweet, not enough nuts, Lake Champlain!], gifts [liked, thank goodness] dinner [liked, but no sour cream, no chocolate syrup, no strawberry kefir either!!, We have a discerning critic here, gentlemen, be warned]. You can see that she feels at home, checking out the fridge, feeling safe, and happy, quarrelling with me like a little child if she feels like it. It is not the money, per se, but the feeling that someone with whom one has built up a feeling of trust, about whom I worry a lot and about whose educational and other career issues I can genuinely help, cannot think straight.

Her provider career is going down the drain, for reasons that are not difficult to discern.S he is not earning enough money and is becoming frantic, attracting an increasingly difficult class of clients. Her attitude is poor, her health is poor, her whole business plan is poor because if clients are offended, how smart is that. If your oldest regular is deliberately humiliated, how much do you understand about the concept of goodwill in business? I have tried my best to communicate with her because a matter of principle is involved. I said I shall truthfully lay this case before ECCIE and let them decide. For me, this is fraud and theft. The theft involves the taxi fare, because in spirit a promise was made, and not kept. The sum was small, but behind it there is another story that I have not related fully.

Moreover it is highly disingenuous of a provider to claim that I received my two hours worth, and say this in such bold words. I did not recive any two hours, to begin with, being shortchanged, even on the clock. Very ugly way of putting things, to a regular patron, who has never treated her in any such manner. I think it says something really horrible about the mind inside that skull. There is an ugly word, "meretricious" that I never use, but it fits in this case.

I have interacted with many hundreds of the finest scholars of this country and understand precisely the trajectory any one will take as soon as someone writes something or opens their mouth. It is an instinct or gift, much like a sports coach develops after a lifetime. So, I feel a lot of pain whenever I see dishonesty and greed taking root in a young person, because the final reckoning is not very pleasant.

It is my contention that we need thoughtful and very high quality TRUE ladies, who deserve that name, such as Ms. Boyt, to drive these marginal, and criminal, PT-crazed Satan-ridden souls into the shadows where they belong. Price and quality go together, and some lessons should be driven home.

[Rumbledog]

I have no words. Is this serious?

[Plastic Man]

Originally Posted by Rumbledog

I have no words. Is this serious?

oh yeah... national jimmie security serious... did you even read the alert?

[Rumbledog]

I think some profilers will study him for years after they find the bodies.